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To: nickcarraway
"But Ukrainians have hated Russians for a long time, not so with Afghanis."

I really want to like your theory but I have to ask you to please explain how Russia ruled the Ukraine for over 300 years.

34 posted on 03/02/2022 3:25:53 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Welcome to leftist Planet Lab Cage where are YOU are the rat)
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To: wildcard_redneck; nickcarraway

History is immaterial to nick.


37 posted on 03/02/2022 3:28:33 PM PST by entropy12
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nick "But Ukrainians have hated Russians for a long time, not so with Afghanis."

wildcard_red I really want to like your theory but I have to ask you to please explain how Russia ruled the Ukraine for over 300 years.

Afghanis of today probably don't hate the Russians - the country has very few people who were of age in 1989 when the Russians left

Ukrainians - here's 1. what I've heard from Ukrainians and 2. the historical data

for 1. Before 2014 all the Ukrainians I met didn't HATE Russians. They generally liked them but hated their government for trying to control Ukraine. That has only changed since 2023 and the massacres.

2. Historically the hatred for the Kremlin was:

a. in the 17th and 18th century when the Hetmanate felt that the Kremlin was curtailing their independence fraudulently.

b. This expanded heavily from 1870 onwards when there was intense Russification

c. This was exceptionally high in the 1930s to 1942

d. There was a sense of shared misery during the Soviet era

e. there was camaraderie during the Yeltsin era

f. Putin's statements from early 2000 about him not considering Ukraine a legitimate state rekindled fears of Muscowite expansion.

155 posted on 07/04/2024 4:35:44 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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