Posted on 02/28/2022 7:24:25 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
Ukraine's ambassador to the United Nations on Monday read out what he said were the final text messages from a Russian soldier to his mother - describing his horror at the unfolding war before he was killed.
It came during an emergency session of the United Nations General Assembly to discuss the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Ukraine's representative, Sergiy Kyslytsya, made an impassioned plea for help, holding up a screenshot of the soldier's texts.
'Mom I'm no longer in Crimea,' they began. 'I'm not in training sessions.'
His mother asks: 'Where are you then? Papa is asking whether I can send you a parcel.'
'What kind of a parcel mama can you send me,' he responds
'What are you talking about? What happened?'
'Mama, I'm in Ukraine,' he responds, before describing the horror unfolding.
'There is a real war raging here. I'm afraid. We are bombing all of the cities together, even targeting civilians.
'We were told that they would welcome us and they are falling under our armored vehicles, throwing themselves under the wheels and not allowing us to pass.
'They call us fascists. Mama. This is so hard.'
Kyslytsya concluded the exchange by saying the last message was sent 'moments' before the soldier was killed.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Deep statement?
Henry:
Here we go. Father dying, right?
Klinger:
Yes, sir.
Henry:
[going through letters in Klinger’s file] Father dying, last year. Mother dying, last year. Mother and father dying. Mother, father, and older sister dying. Mother dying and older sister pregnant. Older sister dying and mother pregnant. Younger sister pregnant and older sister dying. Here’s an oldie but a goodie: half of the family dying, other half pregnant. [puts file down] Klinger, aren’t you ashamed of yourself?
Klinger:
Yes sir. I don’t deserve to be in the Army.
Yeah, well don’t count out Joe from getting a real stupid idea that will get us all nuked.
That wretched ahole Putin lying to his troops. The Russian military should frag Putin. He is single handedly destroying their country.
on the other hand, I am pretty sure there are John Kerry types in the russian army as well, so maybe it is real
nah
They should try again without the “we are targeting civilians” line. That is so phony no one in my language would talk like that, especially to their mom. If you had to do dirty work you would lie or talk about some other aspect not volunteer a war crimes admission.
I find some of the vaccine takes and Putin takes to go too far, as some of you might know (and as some of you might find annoying).What all of this has in common, of course, is that people have been lied to too often, too many times, about too many things, and are now in a mode of Rejectivism, where they dismiss out of hand the claims made by a Regime where lying has become a routine method of control over the population.
And simple, automatic Rejectivism is not an irrational response to a Regime that lies, or is completely 100% wrong, this often. If they lied only once in a while, or were wrong once in a while, I'd say automatic Rejectivism was an overreaction and a bad strategy, as it would usually result in the Rejectivist winding up on the wrong side of the truth.
But when the Regime is almost always lying or almost always wrong, just taking the opposite side without even thinking about it will put you on the right side of the truth 75%, 80% of the time.
Not bad for a simple, reflexive strategy.
Now, simple reflexive Rejectivism is still not the ideal strategy. The ideal strategy remains what it always is -- taking each claim on its own merits and evaluating it, without bias according to whoever said it.
But as far as rules of thumbs go -- at this point, assuming that the Regime is lying or incompetently stupid is as good a rule of thumb as any.
The Regime and its defenders -- the neocon/neoliberal alliance -- have lied to the public constantly for at least six years. Before that, they were catastrophically wrong about almost every major policy question for at least 20 years.
And now they bemoan the lack of trust by the public, and natter about an "information crisis," with "disinformation" (information not approved of by the Regime) competing with Regime-approved information.
Did they really think that years and years of lying, and years of incompetence and catastrophic failures, would have no consequences?
Do they really think that years of lying and incompetence and catastrophic failures should have no consequences?
This is a democracy -- are we not entitled to periodically offer our verdict on how The Ruling Class is ruling, and whether they should be allowed to continue, or be replaced?
Or is this not a democracy any more? Is the idea of a democracy "too dangerous" when that democracy begins contemplating sweeping The Ruling Class aside because of its constant lies and constant failures?
As Ace points out, just applying a rejectivist rule of thumb is not ideal. But it is understandable.
One of the objectives of the non-stop barrage of lying in the media is to get people to stop trying to figure out what's true and what's not, to make people passive in the face of what they are doing.
Are you freaking kidding me? You actually just said that?
Not buying this crap. Truth be told, TPTB needn’t sell it to the peons like us. They never gave a fat damn what we think or want anyway.
Just like Obama’s 3rd term/Biden/MSM is destroying our Country? Just like Bush? And Clinton? And Bush I?
Where’s the outrage for that?
40-mile-long Russian tank and artillery convoy observed in satellite images just 17 miles from Kyiv city center
Associated Press - 27m ago
AIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kyslytsya concluded the exchange by saying the last message was sent ‘moments’ before the soldier was killed.
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The trick with propaganda is not to overdo it. Like putting too much salt in a dish, you ruin it. This article is over salted.
And how would this site, this country feel if our soldiers were the topic of this article/said these things about our Military? I recall all the articles, all the interviews with soldiers who were against the Vietnam War, the Iraq War, etc.
I think the same about this as I did then. It’s all bullshit/propoganda.
In some of the images of the convoy there apparently were nearby houses on fire
Maybe Ukrainians were taking pot-shots at the convoy and the convoy just fired into some houses
Or maybe Russians got out and looted some local houses
“In some of the images of the convoy there apparently were nearby houses on fire”
New Zelensky tactic. Burn stuff down before the Russkies get there.
Putin’s crackdown: how Russia’s journalists became ‘foreign agents’
This may be the endgame of the Putin’s long effort to tame the Russian media. That campaign began in 2000, the year Putin became president and quickly moved to take control of the critical television channel NTV, briefly jailing its businessman owner Vladimir Gusinsky before it was sold to a state-owned company. A political puppet show called Kukly that had routinely roasted Putin soon disappeared from the air.
But some say Putin’s disdain for journalists goes back to the 1990s, when he saw the power of the press sink his mentor Anatoly Sobchak’s mayoral campaign in St Petersburg in 1996 and artificially boost his own popularity before his first presidential campaign in 2000.
“He honestly thinks that I and any other independent journalist is corrupt,” said Anin, a former investigative journalist at Novaya Gazeta. “Because he’s been dealing with those kinds of journalists for his entire life.”
The 2000s also saw purchases of prestige newspapers such as business daily Kommersant by a Kremlin-friendly magnate and the abrupt closure of a tabloid, Moskovsky Korrespondent, after it reported that Putin had secretly divorced his wife to wed a 24-year-old rhythmic gymnast. “I have always reacted negatively to those who with their snotty noses and erotic fantasies prowl into others’ lives,” he told journalists in Sardinia, denying the story.
But the decade was also marked by high-profile attacks on journalists, including the murder of five of Novaya Gazeta’s reporters and contributors.
Just a summary of the numerous crackdowns on the press and getting state control over information in Russia that anyone remotely paying attention has known about for the last 20 years. He justified this when confronted by then-President Bush on the subject claiming Bush had fired Dan Rather for the false report on the National Guard with forged documents.
You sound like John Kerry of the Vietnam fame.
The sad thing is, people just lap it up. And not just the usual believe-anything crowd (contrails, lizard people, magnetic seamonkeys in vaccines). Same with the propaganda during the Libya bombing and during the wars in former Yugoslavia.
So some rich guy friendly to Putin buys a newspaper and slants the paper’s coverage. Scandalous. Who is this rich guy, Jeff Bezos?
“Hello muthah...
Hello fathah...
Havin a great time...”
Soros and Zelensky
Sittin’ in a tree...
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