Posted on 02/27/2022 5:35:34 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
Why can’t the American security establishment shoulder responsibility for its role in the tragedy unfolding in Ukraine? Because to discuss American responsibility openly would mean exposing the national security establishment’s role in two separate, destructive coups: the first, in 2014, targeting the government of Ukraine, and the second, starting two years later, the government of the United States.
(Excerpt) Read more at tabletmag.com ...
Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet Union.
The only tragedy is that countries like Germany refused to send anti-tanks missiles and anti-aircraft missiles right away, which they are sending now.
UKRAINE’S deadly gamble?? Who did the invading here??
Exactly.
It’s Putin’s gamble and he is losing at every level. Russia has lost credibility from the entire world. Great job by der genius Fuhrer Putin.
It’s funny. Reagan took down the Soviets without firing a shot. Stinger misses to Afghanistan. Pershing missiles in Germany while Krauts protested. Kiev has a long history of being victims of the Soviets. They deserve to be free like the Polocks. Putin should know better. He was counting on the others staying put. It’s ON HIM, not us. We still have to stay out of it troop wise, just like we do for Israel. BJ’s promise to protect them was typical of our pendulum swings. Putin cannot stop military aid without expanding the war.
Right now it’s up to the resolve of the Ukraine and the Russian people putting up with it.
Ukraine is exactly what Washington had in mind in his farewell address.
This is a great article.
Bookmark.
This is a great article.
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I agree... one of the few that ties recent and more distant history together and shows the straight line that connects what Obama/Bye-Done did less than a decade ago followed by shampeachment to where things are at right now.
Funny how I haven’t read a single MSM report on how Bill Clinton pushed Kiev to hand over their nukes to Russia for “assurances.” As usual the Clinton’s bloody hands are all over this mess (in addition to him and his friends raping Russia under Yeltsin, leading to the rise of Putin)
Perhaps a closer reading of the Tablet article is warranted, before one loses a tidbit. From the article:
"Much of that same Obama foreign policy team—Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and others—is now back in the White House and State Department working in senior posts for a president who personally ran Obama's Ukraine policy. What did all these figures have in mind for Ukraine?"
I won't speak for anyone else on this thread, except to say that "much of the same Obama foreign policy team" is not the team I would term as "us." And this is not "our fault" but sure a heck looks like the fault in part of the Obama "team."
This mess is not a dualistic, either-or choice, as being presented.
I am not cheering for the lunacy of Putin, lest any try that gambit, but I also am not cheering for the lunacy of the Obama team.
"Us" and "our" as words do not always function well as identifying onto what team one has been conscripted.
The article says Ukraine should have acted like a buffer state and cultivate friendly relationships on both sides instead of becoming a tool of the west to goad Putin. I can agree with that, but Putin shouldn’t expect Ukraine to be a Russian puppet state, installing Moscow friendly leadership, like it was a few years ago. They want their independence and freedom.
Putin wants to re-establish the Russian nation.
Actually, more like imperial Russia. Ukraine was part of Russia. Most of the Ukraine came under Russian control at the end of the 18th century. A small portion in the west was under Austria. Why does no one know the history?
US foreign policy was completely changed by Theodore Roosevelt. He built up the US Navy and played a key role in the beginning of the Spanish American War, the beginning of imperial America as the successor to the British Empire. Wilson and FDR completed the work Teddy started.
Invading sovereign countries is not the way to get it done.
Yes, it is our effing fault. We were backing Russia into a corner they could not live with and we didn’t effing care so long as the big guy got his 10%. And if you think the big guy got 10% without a lot of other folks getting their piece you need to go rewatch the Godfather.
One of the first I’ve seen that honestly lays out the scenario that preceded Maidan
It's out country that did it. And if you think the Bush II team was much better you are wrong. We are witnessing the crisis caused by the rise of the post cold war neocons and the world they made for us.
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