[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "... our fault...."

Perhaps a closer reading of the Tablet article is warranted, before one loses a tidbit. From the article:

"Much of that same Obama foreign policy team—Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and others—is now back in the White House and State Department working in senior posts for a president who personally ran Obama's Ukraine policy. What did all these figures have in mind for Ukraine?"

I won't speak for anyone else on this thread, except to say that "much of the same Obama foreign policy team" is not the team I would term as "us." And this is not "our fault" but sure a heck looks like the fault in part of the Obama "team."

This mess is not a dualistic, either-or choice, as being presented.

I am not cheering for the lunacy of Putin, lest any try that gambit, but I also am not cheering for the lunacy of the Obama team.

"Us" and "our" as words do not always function well as identifying onto what team one has been conscripted.

[AndyJackson]

"Us" and "our"

It's out country that did it. And if you think the Bush II team was much better you are wrong. We are witnessing the crisis caused by the rise of the post cold war neocons and the world they made for us.

[Jim Noble]

"much of the same Obama foreign policy team" is not the team I would term as "us." And this is not "our fault" but sure a heck looks like the fault in part of the Obama "team."

The Blue Empire is at war with the Red Empire at home and abroad.