Posted on 01/10/2022 2:18:50 AM PST by cotton1706
Republican Sen. Mike Rounds rejected claims of mass voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election.
"The election was fair — as fair as we've seen," he said during an interview on ABC's "This Week."
Rounds said that the GOP must "refocus" on a winning strategy to win the back the White House.
Sen. Mike Rounds on Sunday rejected former President Donald Trump's debunked election claims, expressing confidence that the 2020 election was "as fair as we've seen."
The South Dakota Republican — who was easily reelected to a second term in the Senate in 2020 — said during an interview on ABC's "This Week" that the dozens of investigations focused on election irregularities did not yield any cases of mass fraud.
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You’re so busy trying not admit you’re wrong about being relentless in your criticism of the R Party and giving people reason not to support the R’s while the Trump/MAGA takeover is proceeding, that you cannot even understand how your rhetorical actions undercut your physical actions, if your claims are true).
tt is amazing the cognitive dissonance people display when they become emotional, I mean you wrote your post and did not see the total disconnect between your words and your actions. Amazing.
So you can end this conversation any time you want; I would simply suggest you stop digging your hole, you’ve dug deep enough at this point.
Unemotionally acept the L from a strategic standpoint and move on. Hard to believe anyone would want this thrashing to continue.
Lighten up Francis. LOL
Did you ever hear the saying paraphrasing on my part, “if you don’t learn from history, history will repeat itself’, as a collective the R’s have not learned from history, we can never forget our history and IMO needs to hammered on a daily basis so we never forget it.
It’s like being critical of someone inside your family, if someone outside of the family is critical of the same person you defend the family member because only someone within the family can be critical of the person
I respect you opinion even if I might disagree with some it, you have taken up what the Democrats practice on a daily basis, Projection, accusing those you disagree with of doing the exact same thing you are doing.
You keep accusing me of being wrong and hurting the cause, when we both are offering opinions, our opinions can’t be wrong, just different.
Like I said, if we all have to be 100% in agreement then we will never get anywhere.
The tests proved that the Dominion machines were counting votes like this:
Biden got 1.25 credit for each of his ballots
Trump got .75 credit for his ballots.
IF Biden for 81 million votes & the above calcs were used, then Biden really got 64.8 million votes.
Then Trump got 60 million votes & the above calcs were used, then Trump really got 80 million votes.
He is too stupid to be making laws governing millions of Americans.
It is amazing, why are you practicing it.
What you state is your opinion, as if you are the morally superior person exactly what Democrats do, you not only 100% correct but everyone else is 100% wrong and must be shut down.
Yes, obviously I believe your opinions reflect a wrong belief or a failure of your logical caculus. Its that simple. You, and the others whom engage in relentless negativity about the old R Party’s failures and disappointments harms our cause in trying to build a new R Party to fight the political war against democrat communism.
Simply put, harmful rhetoric, especially from within our ranks, harms our MAGA cause. You and the others whom engage in it simply will not acknowledge this point, everybody with whom you guys are communicating your relentless negativity about the R Party too, is already well versed and understands very well the disappointments and back stabbings the Establishment/Bush family wing of the party have done to the R Base and to the country as a whole over the last several decades, we need not be reminded of it every five seconds.
I guess this is the hard part for you to understand, we’re not trying to kill the R party, we’re trying to vote out all of those Establishment/Bush wing denizens whom are occupying seats which would be better utilized by MAGA elected Representatives and Senators and at all levels; thus we’re attempting to take over the R Party, we don’t want it destroyed, we want to use it in the future to guide policies to get us back to being a Republic.
We are trying to create a NEW MAGA REPIBLICAN PARTY thus we need not have it be burdened by the previous failures of the R Party while it was inhabited and led by those of the Establishment/Bush wing of the Party, is that clear enough?
Maybe this is what you don’t understand: Rhetoric that creates a negative image of the old R Party makes it much more difficult to convinve others, who’ve heard the same rhetoric from the news....err....the democrat propaganda machine which is equally relentless in its focus on R Party failures and disappointments; this hurts the effort to attract new members to join the new R Party and get new mwmbwers on the MAGA Train.
Again, can you explain how your relentless negativity focusing on failures and disappiontments of the old R Party, helps us with our efforts to create a new R Party today?
Also, I don’t mind one bit when someone here tries to defend one of the non MAGA R members and people remind them what an establishment scumbag he/she is. Relentless criticism targetted at the elected individuals for their failures is fine by me, but we should not be extending that negative messaging to the R Party and it’s image as a whole, that is what is harmful.
Do you understand this point?
So can we agree:
The kind of relentless criticism in which you and many others engage in should be directed at the individuals whom are committing these backstabbings and disappointments?
Thus, highlighting the individual R’s whom are doing these things will help build the case to primary them or encourage them to retire while not harming the new R Party’s image with the burdens of the failures of the old R Party.
Remember, this kind of distinction is important because part of the war being waged by the democrat communists is Information and Propaganda centric warfare and this kind of distinction is important when defending ones side against the propaganda attacks by the enemy, so these distinctions are a big part of defeating our enemies various strategies.
Understanding that you guys which relentlessly criticize the R Party without making the above distinction are inadvertantly part of the enemy’s propaganda network, in the parlance you would be known as “force multipliers”, throughout recent history though, they’re known by us through Lenin as, “Useful Idiots”.
Sorry if all this offended you but its twue, its twue, ohhhh baby its twwwuuueee.
I state it as a superior opinion because it is fact and strategic based.
As I said, you can keep digging but that’s a waste of time at this point.
I’ve not said your rotten opinions should be shut down or censored.
I believe in the absolute right to free speech, and the right of anyone to use that free speech to make oneself look like an ignorant fool.
Congratulations, you win.
Most likely it was fair in SD but where ballot harvesting was going on not fair at all
Do you ever watch Steve Bannon’s War Room, besides Bannon he has on a number other Trump MAGA Supporters, including Peter Navarro and Boris Epshteyn, they too are trying to build a new MAGA Party but they are exactly like the people who you say is hurting the cause.
The consensus on that show which I agree with in order to build a New MAGA Republican Party the existing Republican Party must be destroyed, that means opposing establishment Republican, in fact today Bannon did a story on Mike Rounds, Trump himself released a scathing statement on Rounds, according to your criteria Donald Trump is a problem.
In order to defeat the Mitch McConnells and Mike Rounds of the Republican Party you will have to be critical of them and exposed the culpability.
I posted President Trump’s statement back on post #37.
But it looks like peeps here are too busy arguing with each other to read what President Trump has to say on the matter.
No, I don’t watch the War Room. I watch clips of it occasionally during my perusals through news and opinion sources from the MAGA/Patriotic/Conservative side, but I’ve never sat through an entire show.
Their messaging makes very clear deliniations of the line between the exixting/old R Party and the new/taken over R Party; they also criticize the particular individual R’s for their anti-Trump/MAGA actions and rhetoric. No problem with that at all. To make a lame analogy, its the form, not the function, which is important in info/propaganda warfare.
I would just say IMHO they get some of their language wrong in the sense that I see no reason to even mention the R party in any context, except when explaining the broad outlines of the Trump/MAGA strategy to take the party over, or when they’re explaining the differences which are coming between the old/existing R Party and the new R Party which is being created now by Donald Trump. Context is everything.
Can you see it?
They adhere to exactly what I was trying to explain but am not eloquent enough to get my point across; criticism within the correct context using distinctions is exactly what they do. I’ve got no problem phrasing criticism of the “old/previous” R Party distinguishin it from the new MAGA R Party.
Thank you, it backs up everything I’ve been arguing about.
Since you don’t watch the show, if you did, you would see they are doing exactly what you are complaining about and they do it on a daily basis, 2 hours in the morning and 1 hour in the afternoon and on Saturday.
Today on the War Room, Steve Bannon was highly critical of Mike Rounds calling him a puppet of Mitch MoConnell because McConnell doesn’t have the balls to confront Donald Trump publicly.
During the 2016 primary remember the nicknames, Lying Ted, Little Marco, No Energy Jeb, etc....he went after the entire Bush Clan and John McCain and he did it like a savage, I cheered along with millions of other Republicans....using your logic, that was all wrong, but he won anyway.
Donald Trump is doing exactly what you are complaining about, he has recently been severely critical of Mike Rounds and Mitch McConnell.
You are never going to primary them out... the Republican party will never share voting information with your candidate, laws say you can only contact voters with cell phones or social media “if they have opted in”... well when did they opt in? before you were a candidate.
The GOP has that information... think they will share it with you? NO.
You will get a list of voters and a phone number that they never check or answer. You have 90 days to find, contact and build a list of 100,000 likely voters.
Call them or email them without permission, you can be fined $50k per instance. these laws are never enforced against incumbents... think they won’t enforce them against you?
The political system in this country is designed to keep the same people in power year after year. The system is also designed to be impossible to audit.
In Texas last election cycle, there were massive increases in voting numbers across a number of districts... yet the ratio of votes in Democratic districts remained exactly the same... to within a 1/10 of a % point.
This is statistically highly improbable. Those same districts had an average of 5% swings in the 4 previous elections.
Certain candidates went from raising never more than $1million for a campaign to raising $8-10 million... yet they never campaigned, never bought signs, never even updated their websites.
All of this extra voting, yet the traffic to the site where you register to vote actually had a decrease in traffic from the prior election.
On top of it all, I drove to the polling places in the district I was in and there were no lines... I talked to the people working there and they all said the same thing... no one... very low numbers.
Anyone who had ever voted Democrat in the state was automatically sent a voter id card. Even if they never ordered one or intended to vote.
I work from home and personally witnessed a lady with a clip board following the mail man a couple of houses behind and attempting to steal my voter ID card.
If they can get the card they just take it... if someone sees them they try to act like they are canvassing... then ask how they intend to vote. Someone will later visit the democrats and “help them” fill out their ballots (as we witnessed in San Antonio).
The Democrats have large groups that gain members by helping them fill out forms to get more government assistance.
If we tried to form a group of any size, it would be labelled a terrorist organization by the Southern Poverty Law Center and investigated / sued out of existence.
IF you want to fight... get organized locally and take over your school board (400 votes and 10k will get you there) ... and research your local gop, look up their bylaws and ambush them on the day they vote their board in... there is usually never more than 20-30 people there... if you come in with 50 people and a plan, you can take over the board of the local GOP. Keep voting against the incumbent at the national level and focus on getting your local, city and state.
The argument that a bad Republican is better than the alternative is very wrong. A bad Republican can do much more damage than a brand new Democrat. The left is very good at tugging heart strings and playing the victim... but once they get in... there is nothing that makes republican voters faster than when a Dem is in office and someone’s paycheck starts to shrink. National is a long game that will eventually turn in our favor if we do the small things right.
Well if what you said is true and accurate vis-a-vis your description of Bannon’s rhetoric, then I explained their messaging and the fact that they make clear rhetorical lines between the old/existing R Party and the New MAGA R Party, which was exactly my point. They’re not just criticizing the R party in general, they draw a clear line that they are referring to the old not the new, the new MAGA R Party is distinguished from the old.
Are you serious, you’re not doing what they’re doing, at least if your description their rhetoric is accurate and true. I don’t watch it so I was depending upon your description to be truthful and accurate, am I wrong in that? Are you now claiming that your description of Bannon’s position and rhetoric is not accurate? Are you now claiming that Bannon doesn’t make a distinction between the old R party and the new R Party?
Come on man, which is it distinctions or no distinctions?
"OK, Democrats did a lot of unethical things last time - but if we push too hard, they will expose the pre-arranged safe seats Republicans were given. Best to just let it all go and work to make sure it's a little harder for them to cheat in 2022."
Remember in 2018 ballot harvesting gave the Democrats several new former GOP House seats and 2020 the GOP got some of them back. I'm not sure that was just because they used Democrat tactics. The evidence and the language used suggests that Federal elections are increasingly nothing more than pre-arranged WWE-style matches, staged for public entertainment.
Again you are making assumptions without watching the show, the War Room and Trump are doing the exact same thing, they are intent on taking down the existing Republican Party, replacing it with a new MAGA Party, that’s exactly what I’m trying to do.
Come on man, which is it distinctions or no distinctions?
Can you not see that.
You keep saying don’t tear down the Republican Party because somehow it gives ammunition to the Democrats, that’s foolish and naive, regardless of what any MAGA Republican Says or does they are going to do what they always do, which is to label us all as racist, terrorists, etc...
In fact, any Republican who is critical of a MAGA Supporter is who the Democrats go to for ammunition, not someone like me or another MAGA Republicans, they go for the “Never Trump” Republicans and present them as the sensible sane Republicans..
Come on Man, can you not see that...
Heck the National GOP can’t even agree on what the major issues are,
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I’m a big tent republican.
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Here’s an analogy to work with. Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks.
What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent.
We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Folks such as Rudy or Romney flunk some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not.
Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy or romney from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot and romneybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter or Palin, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy or romney.
That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.
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“”OK, Democrats did a lot of unethical things last time - but if we push too hard, they will expose the pre-arranged safe seats Republicans were given. Best to just let it all go and work to make sure it’s a little harder for them to cheat in 2022.””
That’s exactly right. But in addition, I believe they ALSO don’t want the Democrats to start squawking about the tricks they use to defeat primary opponents.
So there’s mutual agreement to all shut up about fraud and discredit any investigations into it, so only the “right” people get elected.
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