Posted on 01/04/2022 7:13:47 AM PST by SeekAndFind
An Alcoholics Anonymous group In Somerset, England was recently censured for reciting the Lord’s Prayer at the start of its meetings, according to London’s Daily Mail. The group was told by A.A. leaders that it had become too Christian-focused and has therefore been removed from the organization’s online directory. A.A. administrators first raised concerns about the prayer at a meeting in Somerset.
The move didn’t sit well with John Palmer, the group’s treasurer, who correctly noted that Alcoholics Anonymous was founded by Christians, and that it adopted and popularized the Serenity Prayer. The Serenity Prayer has been recited at the end of A.A. meetings across the world for many years.
“It’s a ridiculous decision,” said Mr. Palmer. “They’ve removed us from the ‘Find a meeting’ section of the A.A. website which will prevent new members from finding us. In other words, we’re being shut down.”
The drive to be open to-- and inclusive and tolerant of-- all things except one’s own culture and religion is an anomaly peculiar to today’s Western nations. And it is rapidly leading to our downfall.
Who would wish to cancel something that gives hope and strength to a group of alcoholics? Who would rid an A.A. meeting of the Lord’s Prayer? Who would wish to keep those lost from being found?
Apparently, heads of the A.A. themselves.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Sad and angry!
So goes England...
...so goes America too, until we stop it!
I pray this group perseveres!
Tolerance is a two-way street. Other cultures need to accept Christians and stop whining.
Through the Grace of God and AA my mom has remained sober for over 30 years. Without both she’d be in prison or dead now.
This decision is absolutely unconscionable.
L
I think the “leaders” who decided this should do their Steps again. This is so BS.
May I suggest they look in the Book of Death(Koran) to find a suitable passage to replace it with, throw it right back in thier face.
Just wait—until the BIG WAR and the enemy is at the gates. Then the churches will be full and all eyes on heaven to save them. When the streets are filled with bodies and all we have built is about to be lost to a godless foe. Then, we shall see. Now, Nation states are seen by the elites as trivial and of little value—They are “Citizens of the World” Try telling that to an enemy dedicated to killing you and taking all you have. The future is more like the 1930s than Star-Trek.
“Tolerance is a two-way street.”
Not to our enemies on the Left. It’s a weapon to be used against us. And they’re using it pretty damned well.
“Other cultures need to accept Christians and stop whining.”
That will never happen. They hate us and they want us dead or enslaved. They can accept no Higher Power other than themselves.
See my tag line.
L
P.S. It’s good to see you back on the forum.
This is totally foreign to the way AA was founded. Each group has autonomy but dedicated to the same general program. There are women only groups, men only groups, gay only groups, discussion groups, traditional lead groups, why not christian prayer groups? The idea of some “leadership” imposing change on a local group is a bad development.
Step 1 - Admit you have a problem. Step 2 - You are not the solution, you are the problem. Consider God.
AA roots are/were in Christianity. Specifically, The Oxford Group, which originated where? Oxford!
I’d like to know who the “leaders” are.
This really adds up to stupid. Founders of AA were members of a fundamentalist Protestant Christian movement, the Oxford Group. Its members “practiced absolute surrender, guidance by the Holy Spirit, sharing in fellowship, life changing faith, and prayer. They aimed for absolute standards of Love, Purity, Honesty, and Unselfishness, which later became an integral part of A.A.”
Over half of AA’s 12 steps are clearly religious or spiritual. It states we:
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
aa is religious5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Almost funny how people can get so stupid in just their lifetime. It’s like saying that church functions aren’t religious because they are defined as being such. Obviously a product of public schools.
wy69
“Lord, Grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the Courage to change the things I can; and the Wisdom to know the difference.”
I’ve been sober for 25 years. God bless your Mom.
Most people find out about meetings from word-of-mouth. AA Traditions tell us:
1) there are no "leaders", merely trusted servants, they do not govern (Trad 2).
2) each group is autonomous... (Trad 4)
They can do what they want with their "intergroup" website, but they cannot kill this meeting, or group.
By the grace of God, I've been clean and sober for 30 years - attend one meeting a week, it's a Step Meeting where more than 1/2 of us have over 20 years.
That's How it Works....
Looks like Satan has got his disciples attacking this program that has prevented many folks from suffering with alcoholism. What a disgrace.
Alcoholics Anonymous, Page 87
So much for the anonymity of AA.
Bill W was Divinely Inspired when he wrote that book. He saved countless lives.
L
we don’t want to change anything, just let us in said the NOW crowd
we just want to be accepted said the fags
we want to quit drinking without conscious thought said the drunken heathens
and it all goes to hell from there...
I’m still not caving in to them.
I’m a Christian and won’t let them intimidate me.
Good to see you too. Happy New Year.
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