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Trump's stirring vaccine defense: Ex-president says most Americans dying or hospitalized because of COVID are unvaccinated, encourages everyone to get the shot and brands it 'one of the greatest achievements of mankind'
dm ^ | 12/23/2021 | Katelyn Caralle and Harriet Alexander

Posted on 12/23/2021 8:15:06 AM PST by chief lee runamok

Donald Trump said Wednesday that people unvaccinated against coronavirus are the ones getting 'very sick' as he pushed back against conservative Candace Owens by claiming all Americans should get the jab while he again took credit for its creation.

'I came up with a vaccine – with three vaccines,' Trump told the Daily Wire host, referring to the development of the Moderna, Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson vaccines while he was still president. 'All are very, very good. Came up with three of them in less than nine months. It was supposed to take five to 12 years.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

In Maine, 27 of 62 recent deaths are “vaccinated.”

But that is because most of the population there is vaccinated.


61 posted on 12/23/2021 8:34:39 AM PST by willk
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To: RaceBannon; chief lee runamok

RE: I told everyone here he was not a conservative and a bad choice.

I was right, for the most part.


OK, did you make this conclusion based on his statement about the vaccine? If so, how does encouraging people to get vaccinated relate to conservatism?


62 posted on 12/23/2021 8:35:02 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: CodeToad

I appreciate your brevity!


63 posted on 12/23/2021 8:35:03 AM PST by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12 )
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To: bk1000

that’s a mandate, and I am against all mandates. But support elected officials “encouraging” people to get vaccinated.


64 posted on 12/23/2021 8:35:09 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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To: RaceBannon
I told everyone here he was not a conservative and a bad choice. I was right, for the most part.

Oh, but HiLIARy was a much better choice? Idiot.

65 posted on 12/23/2021 8:35:24 AM PST by New Perspective (#NotMyPresident -Proud father of a son with DS & fighting to keep him off biden's death panels.)
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To: setter

“I do read the stats from multiple sources.”

Liberal media are not sources. They are propaganda.

NO reliable source has 85% unvaxxed dying. None. The opposite is true. 85% are vaxxed.


66 posted on 12/23/2021 8:35:42 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: chief lee runamok

Methinks a great many Freepers would be pushing COVID vaccines hard - and Democrats adamantly opposed - were Trump still in office.


67 posted on 12/23/2021 8:35:55 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Statistics don't matter when they happen to you.)
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To: setter

It’s true the virus can spread with the vaccinated, it’s also true no one should be fired for not being vaccinated and keeping them out of a restaurant is ridiculous.

However, you and Trump are exactly correct. All the Fox criticism of the vaccine never mentions,or quickly passes over, that it can also save your life.


68 posted on 12/23/2021 8:36:10 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Sans-Culotte

This is for Canada:

“New modelling from public health officials released Thursday shows unvaccinated people are 10 times more likely to be infected and 50 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than someone of the same age who is vaccinated.

“And an unvaccinated individual’s risk of death is 46 times greater than someone their age who is fully vaccinated.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/11/05/unvaccinated-people-drive-up-covid-cases-hospitalizations-and-deaths.html

Note that Canada has a higher percentage of vaccination and the vaccinations are generally more recent.

The vaccines work quite well, but not nearly as well as advocates hoped they would.

Hopefully, J&J will come out with a better fetal cell-free Covid vaccine.


69 posted on 12/23/2021 8:36:17 AM PST by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: chief lee runamok

Get the vax if you want the vax. Just leave me out of it and don’t categorize me as a criminal because I don’t think it’s all that for a virus that’s ~99.7+% survivable.


70 posted on 12/23/2021 8:37:35 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: CodeToad
>>>>“Trump is right. 85-90 of the covid deaths are the unvaxxinated.”

BS. You are no authority on the matter.

That is the problem. Who, pray tell, WHO is the reliable authority? The percentage of deaths and serious illness of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated is about the most important data point out there, but no one really knows what it is? No doubt it involves the older and/or compromised, but it does matter.

Just the same, citing it doesn't mean anyone is necessarily in favor of mandates, just in favor of presenting essential information for people to take into account.

71 posted on 12/23/2021 8:37:44 AM PST by gloryblaze
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To: CodeToad

Yes you can still die but the vast majority of people are now vaccinated so they make up most of the statistics.

The fact is death rates are WAY LOWER than before the vaccines.


72 posted on 12/23/2021 8:37:55 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: JonPreston
I don't think his beliefs have changed, nor has he gone over to the dark side.

However, I do believe that he is boxed in and his legacy is at stake, especially when the the vaxx death toll starts to really roll in. He has a choice of admitting the vaxx is a failure, or going all in.

True to form, he's going all in.

73 posted on 12/23/2021 8:38:26 AM PST by thescourged1
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To: thefactor
Lots of people stuck between their worshipping of Trump and their disdain for the vaccine.

As long as he never tries to mandate this experimental drug, he can be wrong about this one thing and I'll still support him.
74 posted on 12/23/2021 8:38:33 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

Google it. It is not hidden information


75 posted on 12/23/2021 8:39:59 AM PST by setter
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To: drSteve78

Trying to convince people one way or the other at this point in time is an exercise in futility.

I know that the shot is poison. I have friends that have worked on it and the testing and I have enough info to make an informed decision. So you pro shot people, do your homework or don’t do your homework. Take it or don’t take it. I don’t care enough to try to change anyones mind anymore.

If pro vaxers don’t care what they are putting in their body, why should i?


76 posted on 12/23/2021 8:40:02 AM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: chief lee runamok
A large portion of Trump's base consists of vaccine skeptics, at least for the COVID jabs. The five least vaxxed states (Idaho, Mississippi, Wyoming, Louisiana, and Indiana) were won by Trump by double digit or even 2:1 margins. OTOH, the five most vaxxed states (Vermont, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Connecticut. and New Hampshire) were won by Biden, with the exception of NH, by double digit margins. White evangelical Christians, who supported Trump by a 5:1 margin, are the most vaccine hesitant of religious groups. In contrast, Jews and nonbelievers, groups won handily by Biden, are the most accepting of the jabs.

Trump is doubtlessly aware of COVID vaccine hesitancy in his base. There are two possibilities: (1) Trump is proud of the speed in which his administration cleared regulatory barriers to get the vaccines approved and widely distributed. (2) The Deep State really has damaging evidence against Trump or his family members. Someone with a lot of power or representing them made an offer Trump couldn't refuse. Clowns like Adam Schiff may bilovate and bluster, but the DOJ and New York authorities will not indict as long as Trump promotes the jabs.

Assuming he runs for the Republican nomination for the Presidency, Trump may figure that his opponents would be RINOs like Liz Cheney or Chris Christie, who would be wiped out in the early primaries. The vax issue may be gone by late 2023, and Trump figures it will be a nonissue when he goes up against Biden or whomever in 2024.

77 posted on 12/23/2021 8:40:06 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: bk1000

[You don’t lose your job for refusing to eat the mandated PB&J.]

This... all of this!


78 posted on 12/23/2021 8:40:34 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: setter
I do read the stats from multiple sources.

This anti science stance conservatives are taking is laughable


At this point, anything labeled as "science" gets all the suckers to believe it unquestioningly. The problem is that the "science" doesn't contain much actual science.
79 posted on 12/23/2021 8:41:03 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: willk

70% in Maine have taken the jab.

A year ago, there were maybe a handful of death a week here from the Chinese virus.

Now, it’s 22 - 25 per day.

New cases a year ago were in the double digits.

A few days ago, there were 1,500 new cases in a single day.

No jab for me.


80 posted on 12/23/2021 8:41:24 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Jesus is the reason for the Season, NOT Chinese made "presents" from an enemy country)
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