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To: TBall

“Y’all think this is shocking, just wait a few years when they will have the data for the long term side effects.”

How will it ever be proven that those effects were a result of the shots, years later?


21 posted on 12/02/2021 9:32:30 AM PST by SaxxonWoods
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To: SaxxonWoods

I hope to heck not, but it might be very easy to prove. It would really suck if everyone around me started dropping like flies from a vaccine for an illness that was over 99% survivable. I hope to heck the vaccine doesn’t cause prion illnesses down the road.


30 posted on 12/02/2021 9:42:08 AM PST by TBall
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To: SaxxonWoods
“Y'all think this is shocking, just wait a few years when they will have the data for the long term side effects.”

How will it ever be proven that those effects were a result of the shots, years later?——————————————————————————————————————— It will be proven by comparison to the un vaccinated control group. The control grou they are so desperately trying to eliminate via mandatory vaccination policy

49 posted on 12/02/2021 11:29:37 AM PST by rdcbn1
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To: SaxxonWoods; Red Badger; TBall
“Y’all think this is shocking, just wait a few years when they will have the data for the long term side effects.”

How will it ever be proven that those effects were a result of the shots, years later?

I've written this previously, but I think it's worth repeating...

One of the most vital and important (yet perhaps boring) elements in legitimate clinical trials, is the consistent, routine, accurate, and timely collection and recording of side-effect and efficacy data. Trials usually run from two to ten years, with meaningfully large test and control groups. Indeed, the FDA's own websites clearly state that "It's the clinical trials that take so long--usually several years," says Sandra Kweder, M.D., deputy director of the Office of New Drugs in the CDER.

With all this data being collected soberly, a full assessment of the benefits AND side effects can be determined. Things like adverse effects, fatalities, and the like can be observed AND recorded and also vetted (maybe Bob wasn't killed by the shot...or maybe he was).

Not only that, the long time-series of data allows not just for an immediate calculation of vaccine efficacy (VE) but the observation of VE over time, to see if the impact decays and with what kind of pattern (good for a long time then a speedy drop, gradual decline, immediate drop etc).

That's what should have happened with these shots.

Instead, we got a few months of testing, a high VE, and the "all clear" for EUA. The EUA was not fully explained in the context I provided, with a strong caveat emptor warning. Anyone who offered the context I provided was an "antivaxxer."

To be sure, the very early results in the spring of 2021 were ok....cases declined (though that may have simply been a seasonal decline - it would have been nice to assess that possibility with a long-term trial...), and VE held up.

Then we got reports of bad side effects, sickness, and tragically fatalities. Here is where the absence of controlled clinical trials was revealed: there was NO centralized, homogeneous, controlled collection of these side-effects. It was chiefly citizen reporting, requiring the development of citizen databases...a sort of Nachumlist for shots.

Because this very quickly descended into political science vs medical science, anyone voicing concern about these shots on the basis of this citizen reporting was demonized. What made many people realize this was political science, was that just a few months earlier, "respected" people like Christine Grady ( Fauci's wife) were saying basically the same things, e.g., circa February 2021-

57:26 “…should COVID vaccines be mandated for healthcare providers?” My response is the following…in many healthcare institutions, healthcare workers are required to take flu vaccines…in order to take care of patients, in order to protect the patients. I think that…where we are in the history of this pandemic, I don’t think mandating is the right choice at this point, for several reasons. We still need more data…the two vaccines that are being distributed are under an Emergency Use Authorization – they are not approved vaccines (emphasis from Dr. Grady)…and there is this background of concern about politicization…and distrust…that I think it's a mistake to force people to take it. So I don’t think we should be mandating vaccines.

Well...ain't that a kick in the head!?!

Fast-forward to today...we have most of the nation (if not planet) having received shots or natural immunity, and no legitimate, controlled long-term clinical trial. There is now statistical evidence of VE waning over a few months, necessitating boosters (that wasn't known when the EUA was authorized...that'd have been a nice little detail to tell the nation but, ya know, we didn't have time for long-term trials...).

And now this data dump..

We have weekly if not daily media stories happily chirping when the unvaxxed die of the virus, goalpost moving re: lying that the shots were all about lessened symptoms when they were only approved for PREVENTION, and if anyone who HAS gotten a shot dies of what is clearly a reaction, that news is suppressed or ridiculed. Immunity no good, but shot is good.

It is so comical that people who used to question authority - like musicians and artists - are now DEMANDING that we obey authority. When punk rockers are anti-shot and Dave Grohl of Flu Pfizers is pro shot, you know we're in the upside-down.

74 posted on 12/02/2021 5:31:54 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2 )
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