Evidence the Arbery jury never heard: Storekeepers nicknamed Ahmaud 'The Jogger' for stealing and running away

Daily Mail ^ | 11/24/2021 | Greg Woodfield

[HogsBreath]

There were five key arguments the court ruled could not be presented to the 12-juror panel who will decide the fate of the three white men charged They included Arbery's mental health records and criminal history, and the fact that trace amounts of THC were found in his blood after his death The judge also refused evidence claiming Arbery was known as 'The Jogger' because he would jog to convenience stores, and run out with stolen goods

[HogsBreath]

By carefully crafting the evidence that could be presented to the jury, Georgia got the guilty verdict they so badly wanted.

[DiogenesLamp]

Someone mentioned in an earlier thread that police had a picture of him which they took door to door through the neighborhood asking people if they had seen him.

Haven't seen confirmation of this, but that's what someone said in an earlier thread.

if true, it meant the entire neighborhood knew he was being sought by the police.

[janetjanet998]

ouch BLM

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[Jim Noble]

I think the verdict was correct.

Detention of a suspect waiting for police is one thing. Reasonable suspicion is a triable fact.

Threatening to blow his head off, and then doing it? That also is a matter for a jury, and I think the State would have gotten a conviction in all-white New Hampshire, Maine, or Vermont with the facts as I understand them.

[Governor Dinwiddie]

Sorry about the hot heads who killed the boy, dumb way to ruin your life. But the boy himself was playing with fire and got burned. He had been heading down that path for a long time. Eventually Karma catches up.

[Reddy]

“Sorry about the hot heads who killed the boy, dumb way to ruin your life. But the boy himself was playing with fire and got burned. He had been heading down that path for a long time. Eventually Karma catches up.”

^this

[DesertRhino]

He was an effing thief, and a violent a-hole who attacked those decent men just protecting their neighborhood. God protect those political prisoners.

[DoodleDawg]

The judge also banned the prosecution for presenting evidence that the McMichaels had a history of sharing racist messages on social media, and that Travis McMichael called Arbery 'a f****** n*****' as Arbery lay dying on the street.

Worked both ways.

[airborne]

I served on a jury where a policeman friend testified. During the trial we were directed to leave the courtroom while the lawyers talked about something.

The defendant was being charged with a felony and a misdemeanor. We ended up finding her guilty of the misdemeanor and not guilty of the felony.

After the trial I talked with my cop buddy and the first thing he said to me was, “ How could you find her not guilty?” I told him we didn’t have any evidence to charge her.

Then he told me about what the lawyers discussed. Seems she had several similar felony arrests and convictions over the same issues. But the judge did t allow us to hear the evidence!

I will NEVER forget that. I got a lesson in law.

[martinidon]

I agree, and it doesn’t matter, they should have never pulled a gun on the guy. I have had a conceal carry permit for 20 years and the one thing the training officer taught us, if you can retreat or remove yourself from a situation do it. Never put yourself in a situation where a judge or jury will decide your freedom. They had contacted the police, let them do their job! Now, they will spend the rest of their lives in prison.

[mass55th]

"Judge Timothy Walmsley ruled that Arbery's past, including the alleged convenience store thefts, were not relevant to the case because the defendants were not aware of it at the time of the shooting."

WTF??? If they'd known about his record, the court would have wanted to know where they got the information from, and charge them with invasion of privacy. People's rap sheets are not readily available to the public. And I don't care if the old man was a retired cop. He wouldn't have been legally privy to them either.

[Jonty30]

I get that Avery might have been a perpetually petty criminal, but that wouldn’t relevant in the trial in question for the circumstances that this happened under. In this case, Avery did not commit a crime worth taking a life over. Once he started running, you let him go.

[basalt]

agreed..ive carried for the last 12 years or so...and its made me much more “careful” with my actions...when it comes to self defense, its the old “you know it when you see it”...and this was not it....especially when they got out of the truck armed, any claim of self defense went right out the window....dumb..dumb...dumb.

[Lurkinanloomin]

We have to go outside the country to learn these things as the Ministry of Propaganda would never tell us.

[griswold3]

Also instructed you cannot use deadly force to property only threat of bodily harm or death.

[basalt]

and they are being prosecuted for Federal Hate crime and civil rights violations in February....these guys zigged when they should have zagged...just dumb.

[Vermont Lt]

Why didn’t the defense enter it?

It’s not relevant to the prosecution case, or the specific crime. Did the shooters know this? I doubt it.

[Freee-dame]

Similarly I was on a jury in which the charge eventually got thrown out on a technicality, but the judge talked to the jury after the defendant and his public defender had departed. All 12 of us felt that the defendant had done the crime but would have had to vote not guilty because enough evidence was just not presented in the trial for a conviction. Juries may only go on what is presented at trial.

The defendant sat there smirking the entire second day, maybe knowing about the technicality. Perhaps he had many priors for which he had not been convicted/served time and this time the police thought they had enough evidence.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

Evidence the Arbery jury never heard: Storekeepers nicknamed Ahmaud 'The Jogger' for stealing and running away

The effect this piece of trivia would have had on the jury runs the gamut from hardly any to none at all. Nor should it have.

[dragnet2]

If you were jogging in a some neighborhood and someone has a gun and telling you to stay put until the cops arrive, would you charge the person with the gun and attempt to disarm them? I just don't see the typical "Jogger" behaving like that.

What the decedent did was pretty close to suicide from my perspective. And predictably, he ended up dead for that action.