Posted on 11/23/2021 4:12:24 AM PST by Kaslin
The sunshine patriots are at it again, folks. In either another unreciprocated attempt to appear even-handed, or from a deep sense of shame at their own meekness, a number of conservatives are bleating that, while they support Kyle Rittenhouse's acquittal, they nonetheless take pains to emphasize that he is not a hero.
Tom Slater at Spiked writes that Rittenhouse should have stayed at home. John Kass of the Chicago Tribune also writes that Rittenhouse shouldn’t have been there, and that he’ll carry the “stain” of this forever. Tiana Lowe at the Washington Examiner writes that Rittenhouse’s victimization doesn’t automatically confer heroism, and that he “should never have gone to an active riot zone in defiance of a curfew.” Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz (who defended Jeffrey Epstein in court and who argues the age of consent for sex should be fifteen) likewise says Rittenhouse shouldn’t have come to Kenosha.
Former police chief Dan Llorens lets readers know six times that Rittenhouse is “no hero” and speculates that, as Rittenhouse grows older, “perhaps he will begin to understand.” Because nothing wins over a skeptical audience like belittling condescension. Yet, one wonders how the Kenosha police officers -- the ones actually there during the riots -- felt about the armed citizen patrols as they handed them bottled water and told them, “We appreciate you guys, we really do.” Perhaps Llorens could lecture these officers about their need to “begin to understand.”
To the aforementioned commentators, allow me a polite suggestion. Next time your country, city, or neighbor needs some fellow citizens willing to step up, take your own advice and stay home. There is some clear misunderstanding on your part as to the meaning of heroism. If being a hero means penning opinions from the safety of our computers,
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I didn’t see the interview. What did he say?
John Kass of the Chicago Tribune is not a conservative; but he’s also not a lefty. I believe he is, politically, independent. And he’s also a very good writer, and usually pulls no punches.
Its not calling it sainthood to praise heroic efforts to protect your community. That’s all the writer is saying. Just the behaviors he did do exemplify a decent respect for protecting his community and taking actions.
Its not commenting on the totallity of years of behavior instantly like matthis or bush.
The true villains in the riots of the last several years are the Democrat political leaders who allowed the rioting in the first place. The real domestic terrorists are the BLM and Antifa rioters along with Soros and their other paymasters and the media enablers. Had the terrorists not been allowed to burn down small businesses, there would have been no need for people like Rittenhouse to attempt to protect them.
The psychology is the same with these people as with gun grabbers.
If they laud the actions of Rittenhouse, they fear they might be called up themselves to have to step up someday.
They are protecting their option to cower.
Full interview; https://www.bitchute.com/video/QKUrI38EvDwB/
I read the article, and all the hero-worship.
***You seem to be arguing against hero-worship. It’s such a strange term. When someone is a hero and others send praise their way, folks like you seem to wanna call it worship. That’s a bridge too far for me, kind of a chunk of bullshiite.
He’s a teenager.
***All the more reason why what he did and how he responded to it has been remarkable.
Teenagers are frequently full of contradictory ideas.
***So are adults. Like you, ferinstance.
Many conservatives rushed to declare him “our guy.”
***What does that even MEAN? You’re rushing your arguments to the edges of phrases that have little meaning like “hero worship” and “our guy”. It’s a form of obfuscation.
He says one thing about BLM (which, btw, I’ve heard worse from teenagers) and the adults think the kid is the problem,
***WHo is thinking that the “kid is the problem”? He supports the right of BLM to exercise their first amendment rights, he obviously supported the 2nd amendment right for himself to keep and bear arms. I don’t quite see what you’re getting at, this ultra-fine nuanced point you’re trying to make.
when it’s the hero-worshipping adults who (again) stepped in it.
***There you go again. You’re arguing against hero worshipping when there’s actually very little of that going on.
Imagine what would happen if he unfurled a rainbow flag -
***Then we would be saying the same stuff, that he had and exercised his right to protect himself. I am not following where you’re trying to go with this line of nonsense.
people would be turning about even harder.
***You claim people are “turning about”. Once again you’re pushing a phrase to its furthest extent, a form of obfuscation. There isn’t turnabout going on, it is merely criticism. Kyle is going to be very used to criticism soon enough.
It happened with Gen. Mattis and others, where conservatives wind up eating their support because they didn’t exercise due diligence.
***Uhh, the thing with Mattis was how he “turned about” all by himself. The guy was sensitive, could only deliver punches but couldn’t take them.
The kid defended himself legally. Good on him. The cause for sainthood ends there until further notice.
***Here we see your approach towards argumentation, which is that you’re exaggerating the viewpoint that you’re arguing against, a form of straw argumentation. Go ahead and point out anywhere that any FReeper has put forth a “cause for sainthood” for this kid Kyle.
The Dem’s have been allowing - Aiding and Abetting - riots for a while, now.
KR stood up to help the community, others who could not, or were afraid to, protect them selves. This is heroic, in any measure.
Respect such, honor such, lest these go away from us.
Please God, I will be able to do the same, even in my old age.
Concerned citizens do that often.
First, if you read the article, you'll find a writer relying on titans in the field of defining heroism - psychologists and Dylan.
But then again, this piece was in American Thinker so in the overall scheme of things, I supposed I shouldn't be surprised.
I digress.
Second, rather than have a laborious tit-for-tat exchange that solves nothing (in short, 1-wrong, 2- youth/=wisdom, 3-yer funny, 4-use of SAT words doesn't change errors, 5&6-it's easy to trigger alleged conservatives, 7-the whole article uses authority bias to call the kid a hero, 8+ -this is tiring), and I'm not being flip...what is your argument? Do you believe we SHOULD hero-worship Rittenhouse? Are you saying the article is NOT promoting hero-worship? Should he be held up as someone extraordinary as is being done? Are conservatives always right?
I'll restate my position again: Rittenhouse did nothing illegal, the two dead guys earned their death, self-defense remains a fundamental right, and the MSM and Bidet should have their livelihoods sued out of them.
Do you believe we SHOULD hero-worship Rittenhouse?
***I already covered this. You’ll need to narrow down your loaded definition that you continue to use.
Are you saying the article is NOT promoting hero-worship?
***Yes.
Should he be held up as someone extraordinary as is being done?
***Yes.
Are conservatives always right?
***No.
Everything was great until the “Gee, I think BLM is OK” comment. Hopefully he’ll outgrow that. But who knows?
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I wonder now, how many dumbass opinions I had when I was 18.
Matt, I actually agree that he probably shouldn’t have been there. But, since he was, he did what was necessary. From removing graffiti & putting out fires to helping folks who needed medical aid, even if it was just a bandaid, and on to shooting the three folks who stuck around long enough in their assaults for him to shoot. I also don’t blame him for taking a shot at Jump-Kick-Guy. Skateboard or a boot to the head are potentially lethal attacks.
Was a guy in Santa Ana, CA, a few days ago died after getting whacked with a skateboard, so that tends to prove they can be a lethal weapon, for those who would argue otherwise. Fists and feet have been known as such for quite a while, too. In fact, the FBI has a specific category for homicides committed with fists and feet.
The bad, sad, thing was that he was one of very few who showed up that night to protect the city of Kenosha, Wisconsin, so that a 17 year old kid felt like he needed to be there. And where was his dad? If Kyle was there, his dad should have been, too.
Based on the examples from my own misspent youth, you don't want to know. Take my word for it!
He said that he supports BLM but added that he believed only in thev peaceful protests adding ...someone’s businesses should not be burned.
I have read that his dad is an opioid addict.
Another gift of the open-border globalist traitors.
Thanks for relaying that.
That was unexpected.
Thank you.
Okay, so what’s the deal with you? We’re upholding him as a hero and you are calling that hero-worship. We’re criticizing him for praising BLM and you’re saying we went full Manichean on the kid.
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