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The "problem" of course is that blacks and Hispanics underperform whites and Asians on all standardized tests. Studies have found that those tests are not biased in the sense of underpredicting the performance of blacks and Hispanics in college.

The article says high school grades will be used. Of course they should be a factor, but grading standard vary across schools. A school where all the student are weak is not going to flunk everyone. Even within a school, teachers' grading standards can vary widely.

1 posted on 11/21/2021 5:50:08 AM PST by karpov
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One of the main purposes of the SAT, especially the English comprehension/vocabulary portion, was to determine whether or not a student is capable of handling college-level reading, which college-level texts are written in.

The tests were absolute measures of college success - because they determined reading levels, which are necessary in each and every course (or used to be), including mathematics.

I expect college level texts to be dumbed down to compensate for low reading levels - as high school texts have been in the past few decades.


31 posted on 11/21/2021 7:03:24 AM PST by Bon of Babble (Rigged Elections have Consequences)
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faculty could find no alternative exam that would avoid the biased results

I have yet to hear a plausible explanation as to how the tests discriminate against blacks and Hispanics, or anyone else.

32 posted on 11/21/2021 7:10:59 AM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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IMHO we need standardized testing across the board.
The tests will be given in 5th, 9th, and 12 th. grades.
If you can’t pass the tests there should be vocational training.


38 posted on 11/21/2021 7:19:03 AM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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“When you have the most prestigious university system in the nation’s most populous state functioning without test scores and developing ways to do admissions fairly and accurately without them, it’s very significant,”

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Soon “used to be the most prestigious”!


39 posted on 11/21/2021 7:20:01 AM PST by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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The Equitable Prototype City of Tomorrow, brung you by the grduates of the UC School of Engineering:


40 posted on 11/21/2021 7:23:29 AM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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I am glad I’m not the boss today having to evaluate the performance of employees and their work products. We cannot be far from bosses getting fired for reprimanding employees or critiquing substandard work.

I can just picture the snowflakes arguing why their work isn’t pure crap, running to HR, lambasting you and the company on social media, and getting huge settlements for their “inhuman treatment and stress.” Meanwhile, you are in the unemployment line.


45 posted on 11/21/2021 7:35:42 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“…in any great disaster, there's a Harvard man in the middle of it.” ~ Thomas Sowell)
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In ten years a UC degree won’t be worth the paper it is printed on.


48 posted on 11/21/2021 7:42:34 AM PST by Gritty (We're never gonna know how safe the vaccine is (for kids) until we start giving it-DrRuben,FDA Panel)
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As in all socialist societies, it will soon be “who you know” is more important than “how much you know”.


49 posted on 11/21/2021 7:47:47 AM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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So, what happens when they grade the students that were admitted without a formal entrance exam? Will class grades be ignored also? Certainly someone at these meetings where the decisions are made must be asking the question.


53 posted on 11/21/2021 8:01:50 AM PST by devane617 (RUN FOR LOCAL ELECTED OFFICE! COUNCIL,SCHOOL BOARD, ETC.)
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I’m completely against this move, but studies do show that the #1 predictor of college success is high school grades, followed closely by the SAT.

So this may not be the end of the world—although all three of my boys scored higher on the SAT than their grades would have predicted. They went to a tough high school and were “late bloomers” academically. A high SAT score is objective (grades aren’t) and is an indicator of future college success even if the grades are not the best.


56 posted on 11/21/2021 8:05:48 AM PST by olivia3boys
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“Accurate” admissions?

And just what is “fair” admissions?


59 posted on 11/21/2021 8:48:41 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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Never really cared that much about the whole university admissions thing. Generally the truly good to great will get sorted out post-graduation, wherever they went to school.

Life is a big IQ and EQ test, no matter how much other may try to meddle to prevent that.

61 posted on 11/21/2021 8:52:16 AM PST by Clemenza (I have no tolerance for tolerance)
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Bob Schaeffer, executive director of FairTest: National Center for Fair & Open Testing. “UC already is and increasingly will become a national model for test-free admissions.”

Knowledge of CRT, gender pronouns, community activism, democrat voting record, and other woke criteria will be used to keep up the highest standard of admission of any college.


63 posted on 11/21/2021 9:04:56 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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The answer is elementary. Formulate a SAT test using Ebonics.


65 posted on 11/21/2021 9:09:08 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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“The “problem” of course is that blacks and Hispanics under perform whites and Asians on all standardized tests. Studies have found that those tests are not biased in the sense of under predicting the performance of blacks and Hispanics in college.

The article says high school grades will be used. Of course they should be a factor, but grading standard vary across schools. A school where all the student are weak is not going to flunk everyone. Even within a school, teachers’ grading standards can vary widely.”

5 years ago one of our DIL’s went from a moderate politically to a strong conservative.

Her daughter/our grand daughter was being graduated from an excellent private Jr/Senior high school. This young woman had made one b in her high school and the rest were A’s

This brilliant young woman wanted to become a RN like her grandmother, an aunt by marriage and an older mentor.

She was basically turned down from California RN schools due to that one B. Our DIL challenged this BS and was basically told that was tough.

We advised them to apply to out of state/non California RN schools.

Every school they applied to accepted her. One top east coast program not only accepted her, she got a $25K scholarship per year for her 4 year program versus the 7 year B$ programs in California.

She was graduated this year with highest honors and went to work for a great hospital back east, which had hired her as a future RN for two summers and one year before she was graduated. She passed the national test for RNs and now an official RN at the same hospital.

Oregone has passed a law stating that high school graduates in Oregone do not have to pass math, English or anything to get a diploma.

That will probably become a California law in the next 3-4 years. Based on past reality, that will probably mean no math/science/Stem courses will be required to go to a California RN school. Race will be the determining factor.


66 posted on 11/21/2021 9:14:10 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Want to make America great again. Stop talking about government reform. Thanks: precisionshootist)
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The proper response is for companies to shoot for a UC graduate-free workforce.


70 posted on 11/21/2021 9:39:36 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELET)
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This is wonderful news. Now we can go back to celebrity parents paying graft to get their marginally intelligent children into school. /s


72 posted on 11/21/2021 9:51:48 AM PST by Portcall24
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Another step in the long arch to destroy America.


76 posted on 11/21/2021 12:13:17 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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this is why we have low IQ minorities on TV spouting off nonsensical rants. They all have a college degree, I’m sure.


77 posted on 11/21/2021 1:36:42 PM PST by snarkytart
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