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Can we now have an honest discussion about Islamist terrorism?
Spiked ^ | 16 Oct 2021 | Brendan O'Neill

Posted on 10/17/2021 9:18:05 AM PDT by Rummyfan

Police think the killing of David Amess may have had an Islamist motivation. We need to talk about this.

The discussion about the horrific slaying of Tory MP David Amess is set to change. Possibly radically. The police’s decision to treat his murder as a potential terrorist incident, with an Islamist motivation, is likely to shake up how the media elites in particular talk about it. Out will go any implacable political anger and the insistence that we search for the cultural and intellectual influences behind this barbaric act. In their place we’ll see demands for calm. Don’t feel too much fury, we’ll be told. Don’t extrapolate. Don’t blame it on any one faith or ideology. Don’t be Islamophobic. The liberal media will likely stop stirring up passionate feeling about this heinous crime, and instead seek to suppress such emotion.

It is always the way when a suspected act of Islamist terror takes place. ‘Don’t look back in anger’ becomes the rallying cry. From the Manchester Arena bombing to the slaughter in London Bridge, Islamist outrages are always followed by a media demand that we don’t politicise them, don’t make them into focal points for national fury or feeling. Feel grief, of course. Lay a flower, sign a book of condolence, post a sad tweet, issue a platitude. ‘We mustn’t let the terrorists divide us’, etc etc. Just don’t dwell for too long on the frequency of such acts – scores of Brits have been killed by radical Islamists over the past five years – and, whatever you do, don’t ask awkward questions about what this violence might say about the divisions and tensions in 21st-century British society. In the haze of the terroristic aftermath, we witness not the promotion of strong political feeling, but the policing of it...

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1 posted on 10/17/2021 9:18:05 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan
Point One: Not everyone thinks it is a bad thing......
2 posted on 10/17/2021 9:20:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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No, we can’t because most people are in denial of the true nature of Islam.

John Quincy Adams on Islam

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).


3 posted on 10/17/2021 9:22:48 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Rummyfan

There will be no serious discussion about Islamic terrorism. Face it. 9/11 was a spectacular success for the jihadists. The people were so traumatized that the Stockholm syndrome occurred on a massive scale. Elected official babbled about “the religion of peace”. Immigration from the most radical Islamic states increased dramatically. Any criticism of Islam is not tolerated in the MSM and is labeled of course “racism” or “intolerance”. Ongoing domestic terrorism is essentially ignored. Never before has American leadership in all areas been so corrupt and vapid.


4 posted on 10/17/2021 9:25:07 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Rummyfan
Part of the problem...
5 posted on 10/17/2021 9:25:45 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Lurkinanloomin

bttt


6 posted on 10/17/2021 9:26:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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We haven’t been able to for over twenty years, starting at least with Dubya’s “It’s a peaceful, friendly religion.”

Why would we be able to now?


7 posted on 10/17/2021 9:30:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Rummyfan

Honest discussions about anything are ancient history. Today, silence is an active verb (except here on the FR, for now).


8 posted on 10/17/2021 9:33:31 AM PDT by Spok (Orwell was a prophet.))
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> Can we now have an honest discussion about Islamist terrorism? <

No we cannot, because the tone was set by the idiot pictured below.

By the way, if FDR had said “Japanese imperialism is peace” right after Pearl Harbor, we’d be fighting off waves of attacking Zeroes to this day.


9 posted on 10/17/2021 9:35:18 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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10 posted on 10/17/2021 9:40:57 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Rummyfan
What really irks the Deep State is not that Muslims will be blamed, but that "white supremacists" will seem less of a threat.

The goal of Media, Academia, and Government is to demonize "whiteness, white privilege, and white supremacy." Anything that draws away the public's attention from hating white Christians is bothersome.

11 posted on 10/17/2021 9:48:51 AM PDT by Angelino97
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The horse left the UK barn some time ago.


12 posted on 10/17/2021 9:54:02 AM PDT by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: allendale
There will be no serious discussion about Islamic terrorism.

Bingo! Increasingly, speakers will be shouted down and discussion will not be allowed.

As many have noted, the "Red-Green" axis (mutually supporting international communism-islam) is quickly approaching dominance in the U.S.

The axis is so committed and pervasive that it increasingly appears the use of force quite beyond traditional civil measures will be required for restraint.

The outcome may turn on whether the U.S. military when clearly facing "domestic enemies" honors its oath to the Constitution.

13 posted on 10/17/2021 9:59:24 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Helping a tyrant's nation prosper can only make sense after the tyrant is removed. [See Afghanistan])
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To: Rummyfan

If 9-11 didn’t get their attention, nothing will.


14 posted on 10/17/2021 10:00:02 AM PDT by G Larry (I speak to be precise and refusing to change doesn't mean you can assign imprecise labels.)
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To: Rummyfan

No.


15 posted on 10/17/2021 10:02:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong)
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To: allendale
There will be no serious discussion about Islamic terrorism. Face it. 9/11 was a spectacular success for the jihadists.

The people were so traumatized that the Stockholm syndrome occurred on a massive scale. Elected official babbled about “the religion of peace”. Immigration from the most radical Islamic states increased dramatically. Any criticism of Islam is not tolerated in the MSM and is labeled of course “racism” or “intolerance”.

Ongoing domestic terrorism is essentially ignored. Never before has American leadership in all areas been so corrupt and vapid.

Very well said. But today we have other concerns we have to prioritize like; will Tom Brady lead his new team the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to yet another super bowl. /S -Tom

16 posted on 10/17/2021 10:07:17 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (.It's COVID 2021 - The Events, not us, are still in charge - )
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To: Rummyfan
Islamist terrorism AKA Islamic Jihad AKA Worldwide Islamic Supremacy.

It's real, it has many followers, it is the spirit of antichrist, but it is not Satan's time yet.

After Jesus comes for his saints (the great "catching up" of the church (1 Thess. 4:16-17)) and we along with the Holy Spirit leave this earth, THEN it will all come crashing down

Soon, but not yet.


17 posted on 10/17/2021 10:14:45 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Rummyfan
Terrorism is an act performed to affect political decisions. If the politicians and media deny that these isolated acts are terrorist in nature then they have no political impact.

I see no well orchestrated campaign of Islamic terror. I see individuals committing horrendous acts after years of indoctrination.

The thing we really have to fear is the ongoing replacement of Europeans and Americans who are nominally Christian with Arabic and African Muslims. If I were an Imam I would discourage acts of terror because the elites are already doing the bidding of Islam through their immigration and secularization policies.

18 posted on 10/17/2021 10:19:59 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: Rummyfan

No.

No now.

Not ever.

Act accordingly.


19 posted on 10/17/2021 10:50:23 AM PDT by null and void (LGBTQ = Let's Get Biden To Quit, FORKN'A = First Uttery Cancel Kamala, Nancy Axed)
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To: yoe
Part of the problem...

To: Nifster

Both Zuck and Psuck have utterly bland generic faces.

It’s as if an alien species wanted infiltrators to look totally average and unremarkable...

21 posted on 10/16/2021, 1:14:54 PM by null and void (LGBTQ (Let's Get Biden To Quit) (First Uttery Cancel Kamala))

20 posted on 10/17/2021 10:53:02 AM PDT by null and void (LGBTQ = Let's Get Biden To Quit, FORKN'A = First Uttery Cancel Kamala, Nancy Axed)
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