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Southwest, American airlines workers will have to get vaccinated, despite Texas order
MSN ^ | October 12, 2021 | Oriana Pawlyk

Posted on 10/12/2021 1:59:56 PM PDT by dhuls

Southwest Airlines and American Airlines, both based in Texas, said Tuesday that they will continue plans to require employees to get vaccinated, despite an edict issued by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott that would ban vaccine mandates for private businesses in the state.

"Federal action supersedes any state mandate or law, and we would be expected to comply with the President's Order to remain compliant as a federal contractor," Southwest said in a statement to POLITICO, referencing the Biden administration's requirement that government contractors be vaccinated by Dec. 8.

"We will continue to follow all orders closely and keep our employees updated on any potential changes to existing policies," a spokesperson said, adding the airline is in the process of "reviewing all guidance issued on the vaccine."

Abbott on Monday signed a sweeping order effectively banning vaccine mandates for private businesses with 100 or more employees. Last month, the Biden administration said it will require that businesses with 100 employees or more must mandate vaccines or receive weekly Covid tests.

American Airlines said it's also reviewing Abbott's order and that so far airline officials "believe the federal vaccine mandate supersedes any conflicting state laws, and this does not change anything for American."

White House press secretary Jen Psaki called the federal mandates' legal mandate "unquestionable," and said Abbott is just playing politics.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: biden; governorabbott; southwestairlines; vaccinemandate
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To: dhuls

Abbott should ask them for a copy of the order.


41 posted on 10/12/2021 3:06:48 PM PDT by McGavin999 (To shut down the border tell the administration the cartel is smuggling Ivermectin )
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To: upchuck

See post 28—you are correct for private companies with no federal contracts.

You are not correct for private companies with federal contracts.

Here is the catch—the airlines may have indirect contracts if they receive federal funds for flying federal employees.

This is a complex mess.


42 posted on 10/12/2021 3:09:11 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: indthkr

Yep, that’s a good idea. After all, if there are conflicting laws, then yes, the Fed law will supercede the state law. But if the Feds levy a tax/fine and the state levies a tax/fine, then there is no conflict at all. You have to pay both!


43 posted on 10/12/2021 3:10:20 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: McGavin999
Abbott should ask them for a copy of the order.

He can look them up online.

44 posted on 10/12/2021 3:14:59 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: dhuls

What if the employees don’t get vaccinated? Are they fired, or just grounded? Either way, I’m not sure Southwest or American are prepared for the consequences. Do they think Biden is going to write them another executive order to get them new pilots and crew? They will lose millions.


45 posted on 10/12/2021 3:15:33 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: moovova
Uh, no...they don’t HAVE to.

Certainly not. They can quit.

46 posted on 10/12/2021 3:15:58 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

The airlines have the usual plan—another federal bailout...


47 posted on 10/12/2021 3:19:09 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: dhuls

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/10/06/more-on-missing-biden-eo-and-missing-vaccine-mandate/

They are just “sabre rattling!” But it appears to be working.


48 posted on 10/12/2021 3:19:52 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: absalom01

“Perhaps they have contracts with the federal government to move people and freight on their planes?”

Maybe mail?


49 posted on 10/12/2021 3:21:49 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty. )
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To: JoSixChip

Exactly. Abbott and Patrick are full of hot air.


50 posted on 10/12/2021 3:25:24 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty. )
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To: DoodleDawg

“There are two:
EO 14042
EO 14043”

Both are for Fed employees or Contractors. Not hospital workers, airline workers, police officers, Costco, Walmart,....... There is no EO for employers with over 500 employees. No EO for OSHA to enforce. They just pretend there is.


51 posted on 10/12/2021 3:35:36 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: DesertRhino

They have become very woke over past couple years...Not the supposedly family friendly airline they were...They are not fun anymore! :(


52 posted on 10/12/2021 3:40:12 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (It's not the job of the unvaxxed to protect the vaxxed. That's the job of the "vaccine.")
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To: DoodleDawg

There is no order


53 posted on 10/12/2021 3:48:08 PM PDT by McGavin999 (To shut down the border tell the administration the cartel is smuggling Ivermectin )
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To: janetjanet998

It’s working so well...people loose their jobs.


54 posted on 10/12/2021 3:53:04 PM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: dhuls

Not a lawyer, but I wonder...

They are saying:

“Federal action supersedes any state mandate or law, and we would be expected to comply with the President’s Order to remain compliant as a federal contractor,”

What I found on Cornell law website:

Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions.

Where is the LAW? Where is the Constitutionality?

I don know where the money goes...CEO’s (who will be retiring in the near future) compensation is tied to his handling of COVID—as they say “follow the money.”

So much lying and fascism...


55 posted on 10/12/2021 3:56:41 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (It's not the job of the unvaxxed to protect the vaxxed. That's the job of the "vaccine.")
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To: boxlunch

EXACTLY!!!! Why don’t someone tell those turds at Southwest and American that there IS NO EXECUTIVE ORDER!


56 posted on 10/12/2021 4:10:59 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Boogieman

Next, “supposed” Republican governor Brian Kemp needs to step up and do the same to Delta.


57 posted on 10/12/2021 4:18:31 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: mikey_hates_everything
"Why don’t these companies just grant exemptions for any employee who requests one? If the gov’t doesnt like it, force it to come in and make the call on every individual who wants an exemption. Cloward-Piven the whole damned thing. Why are these companies being good little Nazis when they don’t have to be?"

A most excellent point, for private (non federal "contractor") companies. For companies in that position, which is most companies [1], there is no executive order, only Xiden's fever dream of a "mandate."

58 posted on 10/12/2021 4:22:53 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: MPJackal
Both are for Fed employees or Contractors

Southwest is a federal contractor.

59 posted on 10/12/2021 4:31:34 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: McGavin999
There is no order

There are two. See my reply 28.

60 posted on 10/12/2021 4:33:27 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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