Posted on 09/24/2021 12:46:13 PM PDT by janetjanet998
— The Arizona Senate will release its long-awaited audit report of the 2020 election in AZ. Senate President Karen Fann and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Warren Petersen will receive the report on the Senate floor at 1 p.m. followed by a detailed discussion of its findings
TJ
September 24, 2021 6:59 pm
-Vote rigging: How to spot the tell-tale signs
Too many voters
A high turnout in specific areas
Large numbers of invalid votes
More votes than ballot papers issued
Results that don’t match
Delay in announcing results
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-37243190
Looks like the AZ Legislature feed is having issues too: https://www.azleg.gov/videoplayer/?clientID=6361162879&eventID=2021091005
Yes until the dominion machines are examined nothing will happen as far as decertifying the vote.
Excellent. Any idea when results will be released?
And dipping one’s thumb into purple ink!
“We the People...” was the preamble to the constitution. What you’re likely thinking of is the Declaration of Independence:
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another... “
The reactions to this hearing today are not surprising nor is yours. It is easy for all of us to want or even expect some smoking gun like a box full of “Byden” ballots in crayon.
That was NEVER going to happen.
There are some VERY troubling things that came out of this hearing today that do call into question the AZ voting results and likely warrant further inquiry to include other counties.
Most of the disappointment I see is that there was not a “smoking gun” and that the MSM is refusing to cover it or lied. I disagree on the first and am shocked at the second.
Who in their right mind expected the people who told us the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian plant, Trump got peed on by prostitutes, and Biden was sharp as a tack to all of a sudden objectively examine the findings released today?
Second, all of those (me included at times) who fall for all this right-wing click-bait BS that is wallpapered all over this place because they say what we think, suspect, or want to be true need to stop giving them clicks.
Objectively, this was a damning report, but expectations were so high that anything short of instant media acknowledgment that Biden is illegitimate would have failed. We have an “expectation management” problem and it typically leads to divorce.
The media will NEVER deny that Biden won nor will they even acknowledge that there was fraud that calls the election into question. It simply will not happen anymore than they will admit that they have been wrong about most things “Covid”.
One simple thing they could have told us today: Looking at the 17,000+ duplicate ballots that were counted in the official results, what was the vote breakdown there? Did they break disproportionately for Biden? Because if the split was like 14,000 for Biden and 3,000 for Trump, that right there would put the election into question, because Biden only “won” by 11,000 votes.
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another... “
Of course, you are correct.
I was thinking about the power we hold, to deny them the adulation and respect they crave.
Hell on earth to them.
Alinsky wasn’t an idiot. Evil, yes.
Your memory is correct. Jovan was discussing ballots without folds in GEORGIA, not AZ.
RSBN is still live
I’d go for that.
To back up your point. The Arizona Republic newspaper right now:
4 p.m.: Cyber Ninjas CEO confirms Biden win, makes recommendations
Doug Logan, CEO of Florida-based cybersecurity firm Cyber Ninjas, confirmed in the beginning of his presentation that President Joe Biden won in Maricopa County in the company’s hand recount of votes.
Former President Donald Trump lost votes and Biden gained votes in the hand count results, widening Biden’s victory.
Logan led the months-long review of all 2.1 million ballots cast in Maricopa County. That included a complete recount of the presidential and U.S. Senate votes, and an examination of the ballots that included examining many conspiracy theories.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/09/01/arizona-election-senate-audit-cyber-ninjas-maricopa-county/5673563001/
I would think so too.
Since we now know for certain the hand recount by the Ninjas matched all other hand recounts, the only really relevant question here is: do we know the physical ballots were indeed genuine?
I imagine the report will be made public (in written form and complete) at some point. Of course the "draft" is available from multiple places by now and I don't think it's changed much (from what I've read) and I don't see where in the drafts now publicly available where any serious "audit" of the ballots themselves was done, OR, really, if such audits found anything to scream about.
To me this is a "tell" (as we say in Poker). You aren't talking about how the ballots themseleves are compromised, YET, you also say your OWN hand recount matches what the county did.
Hello? McFly?
Maybe someone can find it in the draft(s) now publicly available. Here's one if anyone's interested in combing through it (I have, again, I haven't found any forensic audit of the ballots themselves, even though that was promised, showing large scale fraud with such physical things): Draft
Does anyone see an "audit" of the actual ballot (paper) in there? If so, please point it out to me.
If NOT, which again I don't think there is such an audit there, then all this talk about "routers" and "hacks from China" or whatever is nonsensical, smoke and mirrors level stuff. Really. I'm sure you (whoever's reading this) sees that right?
If not, let me state it plainly: Because if even the Cyber Ninja's own hand recount matches the County's, AND Cyber Ninja's have no proof that the ballots themselves were not genuine, then it's circular reasoning (by definition) to say, "well we still know something else nefarious was done". It's circular reasoning because you have no independent proof.
Maybe the final "official" report will have more. I kind of doubt it.
Now of course there's all this talk about the "Mail in Ballots Voted from Prior Addresses" section and/or other sections.
First, about that first section (6.3.1): Buried in the analysis, below the table everyone is all in a huff about, you'll find the category "Mail-in votes from voters who moved within Maricopa County prior to the registration deadline" (15,035 ballots). Let that description sink in for a second: Even if such a category exists (which, given CN's track record of missteps throughout this process I'm not sure it does but let's say it does) then what's the "big whoop" here? That someone moved from one address within the county to another address within the county?
At best, the Ninjas have demonstrated (in this particular category) a lack of tracking those who move from one address to another within the county of Maricopa. But ultimately, what's the impact there, on the election itself? Those 15,035 still lived in the county!
I could go on but I'm tiring of this, again, tiring of the apparent lack of critical thinking (does anyone on this board even know what "critical thought" is anymore?) in fellow "conservatives" in general and the GOP in particular.
You know FRiends, it's perfectly "ok" to admit someone/something you support just didn't win the day. It really is. I was just as PO'ed as anyone here that Trump didn't win on Election Night (and the weeks thereafter).
But only asses refuse to admit a loss, given mountains of evidence to the contrary. And damage, perhaps irreparable against the cause of conservatism perhaps for years to come. All for allegiance to one man, an obviously disturbed if not broken man who's pride is apparently all that is important to him. Did Trump do a lot of good during his presidency? Yes. But that doesn't mean he's any more than just a man, flawed like the rest of us.
I say it's time to wake up, and leave this inanity in the dustbin of tin-foil hat nuttery where it belongs.
You talk an awful lot but say very little of importance.
The Pulitzer evidence wasn’t presented today. I’d reserve my judgment on Pulitzer until that data is made public or we get some explanation for why it wasn’t presented today.
Sadly I think you are stuck in the thinking models of the past. Contemporary thought patterns in politics aren't tied to reality, or objective facts like you wish they were. That's why utter fiction generated by leftists is repeated endlessly until millions of people believe it. Do you think Trump really did win the 2016 election because of Russian interference? Was Hunter Biden's notebook a Russian disinformation operation, as 50 former intelligence officials, including multiple past CIA directors claimed before the election in 2020?
Was the protest in Washington DC on January 6th an actual insurrection, like the Civil War? Was it, like some politicians said, the worse thing that happened in our nation since the Civil War? Worse than the Weather Underground's bombings? Worse than the BLM riots? Worse than the Watts riots?
A lot of narratives are generated in our society today that are not based on reality. If you aren't willing to work in that context, and understand how our society today - right or wrong - adopts new ideas, then you are unable to effectively counter those on the left who do understand how society today is influenced. That inability is what really damages conservatism.
Yeah, when you know that Maricopa County officials deleted all the election files the day before the auditors arrived, and then when you’ve figured out with surveillance cameras who did the deleting, it is definitely *not* the time to give up and move on.
It isn't President Trump who is broken. And those of us who support him do so because so very much is important to him, and to us.
Didn’t they hand count the ballots a number of times and it matched closely to the machine counts? Aren’t we past this machine conspiracy theory yet? Are you Sidney Powell in disguise?
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