Posted on 09/08/2021 2:26:40 PM PDT by algore
The 12-ton, 21ft bronze General Robert E. Lee statue in Richmond, Virginia, was removed at 9am
The statue is the largest Confederate monument in Virginia and the largest Confederate statue in the country
It was erected in 1890 in honor of Lee, a prominent slave owner and revered Confederate Army general
Last year, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam announced it would be brought down in light of the BLM movement
A time capsule that has been in the statue's base for 131 years will be replaced by a new one
The new capsule contains 39 'artifacts' including a BLM sticker, a 'Virginia is for lovers' Pride sticker, an expired COVID vaccine and pictures from a Stop Asian Hate Protest
Richmond Police closed the roads surrounding the statue and fenced it off ahead of the removal
Pedestrians were allowed to watch it from a viewing area on Monument Avenue; they chanted, cheered and sang as it was taken down
Senate Republicans in Virginia and some residents wanted to stop it from being torn down; they say the monuments are part of the state's history
Another statue of Lee in Charlottesville was brought down in July - that was the site of the Unite the Right rally in 2017
Since 2020, 160 Confederate statues, school names and monuments have been removed across the US
The Southern Poverty Law Center says there are still some 2,000 'symbols' still standing across the US
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Latent sadism.
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Lee was one of the greatest men in the history of mankind.
When will the Black Citizens of this country realize that the BLM is the worst thing that has happened to them since the Civil War?
Its the white liberals that are doing this
Some chanted “whose streets? Our streets!” and “Hey hey hey, goodbye.”
“This is a historic moment for the city of Richmond. The city, the community at large is saying that we’re not going to stand for these symbols of hate in our city anymore. And it was important for me to be here to see this historic moment,” said Rachel Smucker, 28, a Richmond resident who was at the viewing site early Wednesday with her sister.
Smucker, who is white, said she moved to Richmond around three years ago. It was her first time living in the South, and she found Monument Avenue “jarring.”
“I’ve always found it to be offensive, as a symbol of protecting slavery and the racism that people of color still face today,” Smucker said.
Work crews removed statues of Gen. Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, Confederate naval officer Matthew Maury and Gen. J.E.B. Stuart from the thoroughfare. Before Stoney’s decree, protesters toppled a statue of Confederate President Jefferson Davis. Although the figures themselves are gone, their pedestals remain.
Northam’s plans to remove the Lee statue stalled until the Supreme Court of Virginia cleared the way last week in unanimous rulings against two lawsuits, saying that in a democracy, “values change and public policy changes too.”
I don't know whether he himself owned slaves, but he was not an abolitionist, because he believed abolitionism would lead to civil war. But he wanted slavery to end. He wrote as much in a letter in 1856:
"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil." After the war, he was notable in pushing for the racial integration of the Episcopal Church. I don't know when that finally occurred. He died in 1870.
Statement by Donald J. Trump on Robert E. Lee statue removal
Just watched as a massive crane took down the magnificent and very famous statue of “Robert E. Lee On His Horse” in Richmond, Virginia. It has long been recognized as a beautiful piece of bronze sculpture. To add insult to injury, those who support this “taking” now plan to cut it into three pieces, and throw this work of art into storage prior to its complete desecration.
Robert E. Lee is considered by many Generals to be the greatest strategist of them all. President Lincoln wanted him to command the North, in which case the war would have been over in one day. Robert E. Lee instead chose the other side because of his great love of Virginia, and except for Gettysburg, would have won the war. He should be remembered as perhaps the greatest unifying force after the war was over, ardent in his resolve to bring the North and South together through many means of reconciliation and imploring his soldiers to do their duty in becoming good citizens of this Country.
Our culture is being destroyed and our history and heritage, both good and bad, are being extinguished by the Radical Left, and we can’t let that happen! If only we had Robert E. Lee to command our troops in Afghanistan, that disaster would have ended in a complete and total victory many years ago. What an embarrassment we are suffering because we don’t have the genius of a Robert E. Lee!
You're way too romantic. The future will be different from what we see now, because it will have different people in it. For starters: Hasidic Jews. Orthodox Jews. Evangelical Christians of many colors. Traditional, Latin-Mass Catholics. Lots and lots of all those people, because they are having buckets and buckets of children (5,6,7,8,9,10 or more per family), and so are their children, and they are sending their children to their own schools. And except for the Hasidic Jews, these groups regularly send some of their boys into the military.
And the BLMers, the AntiFags, the Feminazis, the bankers and bankerines, the druggies, hyper-preppies, the lobbyists' and politicians' children. . . if they're reproducing at all, it's by ones and twos, to divorced or never-married parents, which damages a child's ability to thrive as an adult.
Plenty of interesting foreigners will be having real numbers of children. But they are mostly of the hard-working variety, and they do tend to appreciate America.
So, America could look somewhat different, but those who "show up" for the future may be fundamentally quite similar.
His wife inherited some slaves. Quite a few, I think.
Button from Gen. Robert E. Lee coat found in time capsule under North Carolina Confederate monument
In the case of two of Sally Hemmings daughters, they were give some money and told they could leave Monticello and that they would not be pursued. They both left and sorta disappeared into white society somewhere.
Great Emancipator who unsuccessfully recruited Lee to attack people in the South.
Not really the case. Scott told Lincoln that Lee was, in his opinion, qualified to lead the 75,000 volunteers, that Lincoln had call for after the Confederates fired on Fort Sumter. Lincoln sent a representative to see Lee and feel him out about his intentions. Lee was never offered the position nor was he ever considered a replacement for Scott.
Lincoln made a better choice in Grant. Grant won the War, Lee was on the losing side.
No, she inherited none of her fathers slaves upon his death. They remained the property of the estate. They could be held, as slaves, by the executors (Lee was one) until the debts and legacies of the estate were paid off. But they could not be held as slaves any longer than five years after Custis’s death. The last of those slaves was freed about 5 years and a couple of months after his death.
so happy the time for talking is coming to a close.
Lee was from a poor family. His father got into several get rich quick schemes and lost what money they had. If there were any slaves held, it would have been a few house servants. After he married Mary Custis he became involved in helping his father-in-law put his plantations on a solid financial footing. However Lee was an active duty army officer and was out west much of the time. When Mr. Custis died Lee went on leave to try and fix the solvency issue. The will stated that the slaves were to be freed when all debts owed were paid. Lee got the estate problems solved and as late as 1862 was trying to get the papers to the freed slaves so they would not be picked up.
Reminds me of the people who purchase newly built homes adjacent to a busy & productive industrial site (airport, dairy, etc.) - and then DEMAND!!! that the business be closed, because it's too noisy/smelly/fill-in-the-blank.
Freaking idiots...
Believe what you want.
Not sure that it matters. Whatever Lee's association with slavery it did not disqualify him in the eyes of the...who unsuccessfully recruited Lee to attack people in the South.
No it doesn't. Lee was a southern man of his times with the same beliefs and positions as he peers. There was nothing illegal or surprising about him owning slaves or believing slavery was a good thing for the slave.
When that did not work for Lincoln he turned to others who had associations with slavery to do the work. Grant comes to mind.
Of course it does. You will cling to your myths no matter what.
Actually it is, though it's not at all surprising that you refuse to believe it.
If he had owned slaves they would show up in census records. You don’t see DoodleDawg posting those records. Guess why.
If slaves would show up in census records for an individual then census records would also reflect that an individual didn't own any, right? So surely you can show the census records for Lee that reflects that?
Regardless, there is at least one census report from Baltimore showing Lee owned three slaves while he was living there.
Lee was an Army officer the majority of his life. He moved around the country, didn’t own a farm, had no need for slaves, and there is no record of him buying any. If there was a record of any you’d sure be seeing their names.
As hard as it may be for you to understand, not all slaves worked in the fields. Slavery was a middle-class institution and slaves were cooks, maids, grooms, butlers, and the like.
But hey, you want names. There are records of Lee owning a slave named Nat who died in 1829. How Lee came into his posession is unclear but it appears he was part of the bequest from his mother that went to his sister, Mildred. Mildred being married to a Boston lawyer it's probably that she turned him down and gave him to Lee.
In a letter to his brother Charles in 1835 Lee wrote that "Mrs. Nancy Ruffin and her three illegitimate pledges being all of that race in my possession..."
In 1853 Lee paid passage for former slaves William and Rosabella Burke to emigrate to Liberia. William later attended a Presbyterian seminary there and became a minister. Rosabella Burke corresponded with Mrs. Lee until the rebellion.
In 1852 when Lee was ordered to West Point he gave power of attorney to manage the hiring of "my servant man Philip Meridey." Since Lee couldn't bring Meridy to New York it's safe to assume he was a slave.
Enough names?
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