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Let's Stop Pretending About the Covid-19 Vaccines
MSN -- Real Clear Science ^ | August 24, 2021 | Buzz Hollander, MD

Posted on 08/25/2021 1:43:04 PM PDT by Jewbacca

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To: Jewbacca
Let's stop pretending that prior infection should not influence the decision to vaccinate.

That would be nice.

A few years ago I caught whooping cough. It was, to put it blandly, NOT FUN. In fact I was sicker with that then I was with the WuFlu.

After recovery asked doc if I should get a booster. He said Why? Your immunity from being ill will last longer then anything a booster could give you and unnecessary shots should be avoided.

But that was PH (pre-hysteria)

41 posted on 08/25/2021 2:12:00 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I refuse to be afraid. I refuse to bow. I refuse to take any job I do not wish to. So BUZZ OFF!)
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To: Jewbacca
I believe there is some risk with their Covid shots, but I don't know that the risk is so great that I'll refuse if they make me choose at the point of a gun.

I just don't see how I gain any health benefit from getting a shot. I'm two or three pounds into their definition of overweight, but nowhere near obese. Blood pressure and resting heart rate near optimal. My immune system works well enough that I never get sick anymore. I'd estimate that my chance of dying or being significantly impacted by Covid to be somewhere around one in (some multiple of) ten million. I don't know if that's a greater or lesser risk than bad consequences from getting their shot, but since the status quo seems to be working, it seems best to stick with it.

42 posted on 08/25/2021 2:12:02 PM PDT by Wissa (If you thought 2020 was bad...)
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To: matthew fuller

I think MSN and “Real Clear [X]”are related somehow.

MSN has the same Real Clear Science banner on it.

Probably the same company.


43 posted on 08/25/2021 2:12:09 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalemabcxp. A A)
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To: marron

Up until a week ago, no mRNA vaccine has ever been approved by the FDA. And it sounds like the Pfizer “approval” is more of a waiver of some of the usual requirements rather than an approval.


44 posted on 08/25/2021 2:12:42 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful!)
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To: Jewbacca

Smart, well educated people also bought into the lies about masks, 6 feet apart and plexiglass helps.


45 posted on 08/25/2021 2:13:44 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'll wear a mask when Dr. Fraudchi shuts the hell up.)
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To: EEGator

ROFL.


46 posted on 08/25/2021 2:13:51 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalemabcxp. A A)
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To: Jewbacca

How about: “Let’s stop pretending we know what the long term effects of taking the vaccine.”


47 posted on 08/25/2021 2:16:00 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: Jewbacca

Great article - thanks for posting.


48 posted on 08/25/2021 2:16:44 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Craftmore

I had a “nurse” chasing me down threatening to call security because I didn’t wear one in the hospital. I had an appt and just ignored her. This needs to stop.


49 posted on 08/25/2021 2:17:35 PM PDT by Trillian
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A good article, but as usual, multitudes of ignorant comments from people I otherwise respect.


50 posted on 08/25/2021 2:17:36 PM PDT by bhive
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To: Jewbacca

ADE is not my pet issue but a huge one. If he missed the elephant in the room that make me wonder how informed he really is.


51 posted on 08/25/2021 2:18:20 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: Jewbacca

For things like this, a doctor’s opinion is no better than yours or mine. I used to listen to Dr. Dean Adelle on the radio and I learned something interesting. He mentioned that he is able to read all the latest stuff because as a doctor that is what he does. Meanwhile, your family doctor doesn’t have time to read all of it because he’s too busy treating patients. That’s an over simplification, but you get the gist.

So, I can read the exact same studies anyone’s GP can read and, like them, get past the bias and determine what is most likely the truth. And I may read more articles than your GP does. I’ve also learned from personal experience to be careful trusting doctors.

What do you call the medical student that graduated at the bottom of his class? Doctor.


52 posted on 08/25/2021 2:19:21 PM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: Jewbacca

FR’s resident fake “doctor” and actual vaccination troll, dr_gas, is going to be VERY unhappy about this list of undisputed truths being published by a main stream media outlet ...


53 posted on 08/25/2021 2:20:08 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

It is FAR TOO LATE for the media and the Deep State / Technology Axis to tell the truth about the gene therapies .........

Wall St owns these drug companies. Wall St owns the White House, Congress and most of the SES positions in DC and on the State level. All the shots are “free”. “Free” to the subjects in the experiment but they’re costing the taxpayers for every one of them.

How much of that taxpayer money is going to the shareholders and back to DC in campaign donations and lobbying efforts.

They say they have 60% or more participation in these shots. Fine. Make folks start paying for them. When that booster comes out in 6 months lets see how many folks are lining up to get it.

A lot of folks on here, even, seem to think that if these things start to go sideways that there will be some sort of legal remedy. There won’t be. You’ll be stuck with whatever you got and no one to blame. The companies already have immunity. You weren’t forced, for now.


54 posted on 08/25/2021 2:20:44 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Jewbacca

The whole thing might have gone better had we stuck to telling the truth as we knew it.


Ya think?


55 posted on 08/25/2021 2:21:25 PM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: matt04

If the “experts” were truthful and said we don’t have all the answers, but this is what we know now, etc. people would respect that.

However, they chose the shut up and do what we say method and flip flopped multiple times and tried to pretend they never did a 180 on their “science.”

This!


56 posted on 08/25/2021 2:22:57 PM PDT by Flick Lives (We may or may not have reached herd immunity, but we've definitely achieved herd stupidity.)
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To: Jewbacca

Well the truth is these jabs cause blood clots and fatal heart attacks and strokes in some people.


57 posted on 08/25/2021 2:23:51 PM PDT by 38special (I should've said something earlier)
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To: Jewbacca
All during this vaccination argument, I have not seen one claim in particular. Since nobody I am aware of has developed a test to measure the amount of antibody in a person after they are considered fully vaccinated, is it possible that the people who have tested positive after full vax status just did not get enough vaccination?

I realize that science has been working on this "One size fits all" theory about vaccinations, but I have not seen many real-world examples of one size actually fitting everybody, all the time.

58 posted on 08/25/2021 2:24:33 PM PDT by Bernard (The very best scientific articles always contain this phrase: “My personal intuition has been…”)
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To: Jewbacca

I was surprised that MSN printed such an unbiased article.


59 posted on 08/25/2021 2:25:52 PM PDT by Bearshouse
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To: Jewbacca

BTTT!!!!


60 posted on 08/25/2021 2:26:12 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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