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Ivermectin COVID-19 Scandal Shows How Vulnerable Science Is to Fraud
sciencealert.com ^ | July 19, 2021 | JAMES HEATHERS & GIDEON MEYEROWITZ-KATZ

Posted on 07/19/2021 7:36:51 AM PDT by Red Badger

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1 posted on 07/19/2021 7:36:51 AM PDT by Red Badger
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“More recently, the evidence for ivermectin’s efficacy relied very substantially on a single piece of research,...”

This is lie. It is not merely wrong, or an error, it is a deliberate untruth.


2 posted on 07/19/2021 7:43:43 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: absalom01

In an age of Narratives, the truth is easy to keep hidden.


3 posted on 07/19/2021 7:47:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston? )
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To: Red Badger

Its correct that science fraud can flourish and fly under the radar and the system needs to change. Not sure about the specific case, as I thought there was more than one positive study...but maybe K am mistaken.


4 posted on 07/19/2021 7:50:17 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Red Badger

My question with this is the same as HCQ.

What is the method of action? Why does it work?

That doesn’t make sense to me.


5 posted on 07/19/2021 7:51:52 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: Red Badger

The good thing about Ivermectin is that it’s alternative medicine. The bad thing about Ivermectin is that like most alternative medicine, it’s complete quackery.


6 posted on 07/19/2021 7:54:37 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Red Badger
Science (as in the scientific process) is a good thing.
Scientists on the other hand can easily be misled and corrupted.
Political pressure and media misrepresentation are adding to the chaos and the result should not even be called science anymore.

7 posted on 07/19/2021 7:57:14 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: redgolum

Why does anything work?
Who knows you try it and see
Viagra was supposed to be a new blood pressure drug that quite accidentally turned into a gold mine. there have been other cases this is the most financially rewarding one.
There is a reason it is called “practicing” medicine.


8 posted on 07/19/2021 7:59:01 AM PDT by scottteng (Why fight it out lets split up the country peacefully now)
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To: Red Badger

The fact that a scientist will be dishonest in order to serve his own ends is no more remarkable than the fact that an auto mechanic will tell you that your car needs repairs that it doesn’t really need. It’s an aspect of human nature that permeates every area of human activity, particularly where a large body of specialized expertise is involved.


9 posted on 07/19/2021 8:00:06 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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What is the method of action? Why does it work?

That was always my first question, and since no one had a particular answer I remained suspicious.

10 posted on 07/19/2021 8:01:18 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: absalom01

Here’s an Ivermectin user.

He posted this Thread on FR.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3974843/posts?page=200#200

Post # 199 his daughter had to post for him.

So I guess this review is a zero out of 5 Stars.


11 posted on 07/19/2021 8:01:44 AM PDT by David Chase (DavidHereToHelp)
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To: Red Badger

Even if the article is true, there’s no reason to believe that the drug is harmful in itself, to prohibit people from taking it, or to cancel researchers who are calling for additional scientific study.


12 posted on 07/19/2021 8:02:05 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: absalom01

“More recently, the evidence for ivermectin’s efficacy relied very substantially on a single piece of research,...”

This is lie. It is not merely wrong, or an error, it is a deliberate untruth.
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Which is the lie? This piece or the many success stories of Ivermectin (and Hydroxychloroquine)?


13 posted on 07/19/2021 8:07:59 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: BitWielder1

Science + Politics = Political Science......................


14 posted on 07/19/2021 8:10:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: absalom01

Several countries have used Ivermectin to very good effect. Now is it necessary to go back and kill all those patients who used it successfully as they have no right to be alive?


15 posted on 07/19/2021 8:11:59 AM PDT by arthurus (covfefe mj)
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This article really applies to the experimental vaccines not Ivermectin. This is a load of crap.

There are hundreds of actual peer reviewed studies now on both Ivermectin and Hydroxycloroquin that prove both are effective. Along with hundreds of doctors and entire countries like India that have used both drugs successfully. The recent India outbreak was caused by one state suddenly stopping the free distribution of Ivermectin. When they re-enacted the distribution, the outbreak went away.

This site is run by real doctors treating covid patients and has all of this information.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/


16 posted on 07/19/2021 8:12:51 AM PDT by bigtoona (Make America Great Again! America First!)
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To: AndyTheBear

A positive study or two and many thousands of “anecdotal” positive cases.


17 posted on 07/19/2021 8:13:14 AM PDT by arthurus (covfefe mg)
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To: babble-on

It’s not quackery.

It’s another tool in the pharmacological tool kit.

Billions of people on the planet. They’re all different. Better more treatment choices than fewer.


18 posted on 07/19/2021 8:14:18 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: billyboy15

The claim that the evidence for IVM rested on a single study. That was never the case, and the authors know it.

The evidence that convinced the world consists of three meta-analyses, each conducted independently, and each reaching the same conclusion that IVM is a safe, effective treatment for early stage (viral stage) COVID, and as a prophylaxis.

Andrew Hill, Tess Lawrie, and Paul Merick’s groups all have published independently, and made the same findings. Tess Lawrie has already analyzed the effect of excluding the cited study, and has published her results in pre-print, showing that removing this study has no effect on the findings.

The authors are simply lying. There is no other way to describe this piece.


19 posted on 07/19/2021 8:15:02 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: redgolum

I have seen analyses of the functioning of both on FR. I don’t have time to go hunt them down, though. I believe the HCQ at least works when the zinc you take with it allows the HCQ into the cells where it destroys the virus protein.


20 posted on 07/19/2021 8:16:49 AM PDT by arthurus (covfefe jl)
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