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Posted on 07/03/2021 9:35:00 PM PDT by Right Wing Vegan
LOL good point!
It shameful you have to call me a moron. My comment did not say anything about “the mechanism of blood vessel damage in coof-patients.”
You wrote, “The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines are genes therepy.” For a discussion on the nature of them, go to this “Forbes” article:
You misinterpreted what I said the dendrite cells do to the Spike Protein which is in the RMA form. Once the lipid nanoparticle delivers the RNA version of the Spike Protein to the cell’s ribosomes the translation process transforms it into the RNA version. That RNA is broken up in segments which are presented on the cell’s surface where they bind to the MHC-1 and MHC-2 complex molecules. It is at these sites where they trigger events leading to the creation of antibodies programmed to hunt down Spike Proteins. With that function done, the host cell is destroyed will no longer create Spike Proteins. So, if there are any loose Spike Proteins in the ovaries, spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands and the brain, they are destroyed by the antibodies. And no way do they invade the cell through the ACE-II receptor. Where do you get that idea?
Here is a good explanation of how it all happens. The fellow presenting it is quite enjoyable in his presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Idb_lCU4o
What is shameful is your post. You do realize you left out the word "is" in your deft masterstroke of a retort, don't you? My comment did not say anything about “the mechanism of blood vessel damage in coof-patients.”
Yes, it did. Cut-and-paste:
*The spike protein from SARS-CoV-2 alone is the main cause of blood vessel damage in COVID-19 patients.
(I think that was your post #109 this thread.)
Either you're a pathological liar.
Or you're a troll.
Or you have no idea what in the hell you post and change what you say from reply to reply.
I don't care what Forbes said; I the mRNA jab is considered an experimental gene therapy by the FDA; Moderna admitted as much in their SEC filing about a year ago. On or about page 70, IIRC.
You misinterpreted what I said the dendrite cells do to the Spike Protein which is in the RMA form.
DAFUQ? You must be inhaling too many fireworks fumes.
I just googled "MRA form spike protein" and got NOTHING about it.
Your next sentence isn't any better.
VERBATIM cut and paste, again:
Once the lipid nanoparticle delivers the RNA version of the Spike Protein to the cell’s ribosomes the translation process transforms it into the RNA version.
So the RNA version of the spike protein is delivered to the ribosomes and the translation process transforms it into the RNA version. Umm, yeah.
Then supposedly, the RNA itself is broken into segments which are presented on the cell's surface where they bind to the MHC-1 and MHC-2 complex molecules.
So the spike protein disappears, and fragments of the DNA go to the cell's surface, sure, whatever you say.
(At least MHC-1 and MCH-2 are real.)
It is at these sites where they trigger events leading to the creation of antibodies programmed to hunt down Spike Proteins. With that function done, the host cell is destroyed will no longer create Spike Proteins.
Umm, Einstain. The cell which was producing the spike proteins, stops making the spike proteins, when the mRNA itself is degraded.
So, if there are any loose Spike Proteins in the ovaries, spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands and the brain, they are destroyed by the antibodies. And no way do they invade the cell through the ACE-II receptor. Where do you get that idea?
We don't know for sure all of them are destroyed by the antibodies. And they do *bind* to the ACE-II receptor, though the mRNA itself has supposedly made changes to the spike protein to be produced after the jab, so that it will no longer merge with the cell membrane (which is how the actual virus effectuates entry into the cell). The issue then becomes one of various inflammatory signaling enzymes being released because of the interaction with the spike protein, any damage caused by the body chewing up cells with the spike protein on their membrane, and the spike protein inducing abnormal clotting all by itself.
This isn't even like shooting fish in a barrel anymore. You're just making random things up "Because SCIENCE!"™
Yes there are alternative drugs that will knock out COVID. However, COVID is infectious even when asymptomatic. The advantage of the vaccines is it knocks out COVID before it becomes infectious. This stops its spread.
I love how you anti-vaxxers deny the validity of anything that opposes your preconceptions. I posted an image of what the scientists have understood for a long time. To them it is basic stuff. I thought it would help give a little understanding. Instead you treat me with contempt. Shame on you!
Grow up, folks.
Keep the focus on the topic, and stop resorting to name calling and personal comments about FReepers who don’t hold the same viewpoints as you.
Give me the sentence where I ‘left out the word “is” in my
deft masterstroke.’
Oh yes, I forgot that I had the words, “The spike protein from SARS-CoV-2 alone is the main cause of blood vessel damage in COVID-19 patients.” That was one of Byram Bridle’s false assumptions that has been spread on social media to give the vaccines a bad reputation. I am sorry for the mistake.
You should have read the Forbes article because it gave good reason why it is false to say that the vaccines are “gene therapy.”
When I wrote, “Spike Protein which is in the RMA form,” I meant RNA form. It is this form that is a blueprint for the actual protein.
You next critic of my text is here:
“Once the lipid nanoparticle delivers the RNA version of the Spike Protein to the cell’s ribosomes the translation process transforms it into the RNA version.”
I see my mistake. It should read,
“Once the lipid nanoparticle delivers the RNA version of the Spike Protein to the cell’s ribosomes, the translation process transforms it into the DNA version.”
To get a better idea of my feeble attempt to explain, go here for a great read:
https://www.cas.org/resource/blog/covid-mrna-vaccine
this infectious disease expert needs to focus his attention on biden and lecture him on the dangers of opening our border and spreading thousands of disease carrying invaders across our country during a global pandemic...
Yes there are alternative drugs that will knock out COVID. However, COVID is infectious even when asymptomatic. The advantage of the vaccines is it knocks out COVID before it becomes infectious. This stops its spread.
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2 Questions:
1. Since people can still get COVID after they are vaccinated, wouldn’t it stand to follow that those individuals can transmit COVID to others? Ex. in Israel, 40% of their serious cases (in ICU or on vent) have been vaccinated... Wouldn’t they be able to transmit it to others?
2. Do we actually know the percentages of asymptomatic cases and the percentage of cases of COVID that were transmitted from asymptomatic people?
That seemed to be a big issue last year, but have not heard a lot about it in 2021...
Seems to me this was another “fauci-esque mask” type of issue. By that I mean flip flopping...I seem to recall reports that indicated the numbers of asymptomatic cases are huge, then other reports that indicated the number of cases are not that common. And there were reports indicating lots of asymptomatic transmission, others saying not so much.
Guess I need to take time to find current position on this...If not a lot of asymptomatic cases and not highly transmissible thru asymptomatic cases, then how important does asymptomatic cases and transmission play into stopping the spread?
I am asking because I don’t know.
I do know there are concerns about the possibility that the people who have received the shots are actually playing a part in the emergence of new variants—there are a number of people (some who have some fairly strong credentials) claiming this.
Like the long-term effects of the shots, time will tell the tale, and accurate information will emerge.
Enjoy Independence Day +1
It’s not worth the trouble, you’re wrong.
Moderna’s own SEC filing says it is an experimental gene therapy.
That beats narrative-building by Forbes.
Also, I never heard of Byram Bridle. So refuting him doesn’t do anything for me.
And what on earth do you mean saying the ribosomes translate an RNA form to a DNA form of a protein?
The ribosomes translate mRNA into protein, not into a DNA anything.
You literally have no idea what you’re talking about and you project your own incompetence onto everyone you dispute with.
I thought I could simplify the translation process. I now think I would have flunked Biology with my explanation. I assumed that the messenger RNA is transformed into a protein by the recreation of the messenger RNA into DNA which I thought made the Spike Protein. DNA is not the result as you pointed out. It is more complicated than I thought. The mRNA in the translation process reminds me of the machine language of a computer program that creates the amino acids of the spike protein. Put on your seat belt, here is a great explanation of how it works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80kxa1zApUM
This video is frightening if true.
A woman who had *had* COVID and had a bad case, got the jab.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XPTYQY7yYPMm/
What a pant load. Virus’s generally mutate to be less lethal.
And from what a number of doctors have said, the people receiving the JAB are likely a factory making mutations-the downside of vaccinating into a pandemic - not smart, if you really want the pandemic to be over.
Management appreciates your effort, but please only source legitimate government and peer reviewed documents.
ThankQ.
Yea, but is it? Really?
IF the covid tests are worthless (as has been proven here numerous times), and a person has no symptoms of covid (asymptomatic), how in HELL can anybody say covid is spread even when asymptomatic, or they even had the covid in the first place???
These and other logical, common sense questions plague mankind and remain to be answered.
#VaxPimpsOnTheClock
#AntiVaxersKnow
Shut up, Furry.
Now its right.
Indeed, frightening, if true.
The Bell’s Palsy young lady was also heartbreaking.
Did you see the vid of people still lined up to take the jab, AFTER seeing someone jabbed taken away, on stretcher, to ambulance?
Talk about sheeple.
It looks like she is working up a case for a lawsuit. I wonder how much she is thinking she will get? Click click.
Speaking of.....have you seen this?
New report stuns the world: The vast majority of those now dying with covid are people who were VACCINATED against it
Public Health England just released a new report showing that at least 62 percent of all deaths associated with the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) are occurring in people who were already “vaccinated.”
The news just so happened to come out the same day that the mainstream media ran a distraction story about British politician Matt Hancock having a secret affair with his aide Gina Coladangelo. Many people missed it the day it broke, in other words, but now it is circulating the web and causing many to question whether the jabs are truly safe and effective as the government claims.
Fresh data out of the U.K. shows that injected people are three times more likely to die from the so-called “delta variant” than people who left their immune systems and DNA alone by just saying no, as Nancy Reagan once said, to dangerous drugs.
Titled, “SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England,” the paper, which is the 17th technical briefing to be released thus far on the matter, is highly telling as to what is in store for the jabbed later on down the road.
A table in the report shows that between Feb. 1, 2021, and June 21, 2021, there have been 9,571 confirmed cases of the “delta variant” in British people over the age of 50. Of these, 8,025 were confirmed just within the past 28 days alone.
This sudden spike in new cases directly coincides with the U.K.’s vaccine push, showing that the more people are getting vaccinated, the higher the rate of infections.....
https://science.news/2021-07-01-report-majority-now-dying-with-covid-are-vaccinated.html
(More info at link.)
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