Posted on 06/16/2021 12:00:54 PM PDT by Rebelbase
Not being a traitor. Being a realist.
I agree. I’m only asking the question to keep the whole discussion “real.”
We got rich rebuilding the world after WWII, but that ship has sailed. The rest of the world now competes with us. I’m just asking honest questions that a free world economy has to ask if we want to keep manufacturing here. And the answers often just don’t justify it.
That’s just the world we live in today. Americans have to compete with workers in other countries just like they did before WWII. That is a challenge when we tax the hell out of stuff made here.
It’s why I think the countries that will get the lions share of manufacturing in the future will be those that offer a product “at the door” at a reduced price - and that includes not only cost of goods but the government costs added to the price.At least, that is how it would work in totally free markets. We just don’t have the edge we used to in that area. I wish we did, but we don’t. And most of our problems are caused by our government. We simply pay too many people to NOT work. We can’t sustain that.
I’m on the right side. Fact is, at the end of the day, the US IS just another country now. That’s the problem. We are not the country we were, nor the culture we were back in the 40’s when we saved the world. I don’t like it any more than anybody else, but it’s just the way it is.
I’m just seeing it with eyes wide open. What did I say that was traitorous?
Seriously.
Well, it’s not that we’re intgentionally selling our our entire industrial base for 19 cents an hour. NO, what we are doing is individually choosing to buy the chinese made saw at $25 instead of the US made one for $40. And the result is this: Go to home depot and compare tools in quality and manufacturing source - and price. Which one are you going to buy? That’s why virtually the entire tool section is made in China.
Wow....... My belief pretty much exactly
China, China, China......... woe is us.
But before there was Japan and then Taiwan and then South Korea and even Europe.
The plain fact is that the USA was unable to manufacture say paint brushes at a cost allowing to sell them at a competitive price. I have inside knowledge that the paint brushes manufactured by a large American company were assembled on machines produced by an Italian company. I saw them and had long discussions with the American engineer who was tasked with setting them up in the new facility built in China.
China has succeeded because they have a lot of very good and well educated people. If there were no China, manufacturing would have moved elsewhere to locate where production could produce at a competitive price.
Why for instance is there not more manufacturing in Mexico? Mexico had the same opportunity to steal American jobs but did not. Mexican manufacturing is US manufacturing moved south. The Mexicans do not have the innate talent to do it themselves whereas the Japanese and Taiwanese and CHINESE do
But before there was Japan and then Taiwan and then South Korea and even Europe.
But we used that strength and innoation to win WWII and rebuild the rest of the world. Now they compete directly with us and they are kinda doing it to us. The US is no longer the freedom powerhouse it used to be. Nor is it the efficiency powerhouse it was. We were, but we squandered it.
And here we are. Elections have consequences. We are not the country we were 200, 100 or even 50 years ago. It’s gonna leave a mark, just like it did to England. Nobody stays on top forever. As a nation we left the ideas that made us great, and we are going to suffer the consequences, just like ancient Rome did.
Have you talked to any americans since this pandemic started? Have you been cancelled at all? I wish it wasn’t this way. I really do. But I refuse to turn a blind eye to what has happened to our nation and our culture.
Total BS. What did you stop at $40? Why not $50 or $5,000 all your numbers BS. The $25 Chinese saw would be $26 if made in the USA. If that...
Ok a real traitor then.
Stop buying from China. Takes a bit of work but it can be done for a great number of items, including knives.
I posted something on this when we were talking about free trade and how communist nations were using their money to buy machines and produce enough product to pass inspection that it didn’t matter how much the manufacturing cost was, all that mattered was replacing United States manufacturing capability. A lot of people thought I was crazy because they all told me how good free trade was.
That was almost twenty years ago now on this site, and I think I titled it why free trade is not the answer. And boy you should have seen all these people defending free trade. And I’ve read through this post up to now and boy all the good points I see that other people are writing I pretty much covered 20 years ago. I wasn’t the only one saying those things but this conversation has been around for a while and it seems our government just didn’t care about any of that
Why free trade was never the answer
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/954156/posts
In a non nuclear war, the side that can gear up the fastest to manufacture all of the things needed to wage war wins.
The Krauts had Tiger and Panther tanks. Pricey machines in small quantities, but the best, Jerry. The best! We had Sherman tanks - undergunned, under armored firetraps - but could crank them out by the thousands. And merchant ships to deliver them.
I’m just so thankful the Lord directed us to that acreage in rural Kentucky and got us out of Seattle. My life would be very different if we’d never moved.
Child’s play. Biden can do that with the stroke of a pen.
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