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'Herd Immunity' Not Possible in U.S., Experts Say, But We May Not Need It
PJ Media ^ | 05/05/2021 | Rick Moran

Posted on 05/05/2021 8:19:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

It’s becoming increasingly clear as the pandemic continues to wind down that the goal of achieving “herd immunity” in the U.S. won’t be possible — at least, as it’s defined by public health officials. Too many of us decline to be vaccinated for the U.S. to meet the target goal of 70-90 percent of citizens who have either been vaccinated or contracted Covid-19.

Instead, we’ve got to accept the fact that the virus will become a “manageable threat” and continue to bedevil the world for years to come.

“The virus is unlikely to go away,” said Rustom Antia, an evolutionary biologist at Emory University in Atlanta. “But we want to do all we can to check that it’s likely to become a mild infection.”

Part of the problem is the coronavirus itself. The virus is mutating at an alarming rate. Some of the variants have been shown to be more infectious. Some are more virulent and cause more severe symptoms.

But so far, the vaccines that have been approved for use have demonstrated great effectiveness against all Covid variants. That’s the good news. The bad news is that some virologists believe that a variant is going to come along that is resistant to the current crop of vaccines. Then what?

For the moment, this scenario is unlikely. It’s probable that the vaccine will give at least some protection, which means fewer hospitalizations and deaths regardless of what variant is causing the infection.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: covid19; herdimmunity
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To: Jane Long

Jane Long wrote: “How many times do I have to tell you that most, if not all, who are merely questioning/demanding to know the safety and efficacy of these UNPROVEN, EXPERIMENTAL and seemingly dangerous shots are NOT anti-vaxxers?”

Does that mean you will be taking the vaccine when they’re approved later this year?

I would be less inclined to refer to some as anti-vaxxers except for the fact that they frequently post articles from anti-vaxxer websites and constantly repeat the anti-vaxxer mantras.


61 posted on 05/06/2021 9:26:17 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: heavy metal

heavy metal wrote: “are you a medical professional???...”

That’s an absurd question because you have no reliable method of verifying anyone’s professional qualification on this forum.


62 posted on 05/06/2021 9:31:51 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke

why should anyone trust anything that the cdc says about a “deadly virus” when they’re part of our government that opened the border, invited, and continues to distribute thousands of “disease carrying invaders” across our country during a “global pandemic”???...


63 posted on 05/06/2021 10:08:18 AM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: DugwayDuke
How about you anti-vaxxers quit spreading false and misleading information in an attempt to discourage people from taking a safe and effective vaccine?

How about you vaxxer, pharm-bots quit saying the vax is safe and effective when its clearly and blatantly not.

You have blood on your hands.


64 posted on 05/06/2021 10:11:23 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: heavy metal

heavy metal wrote: “why should anyone trust anything that the cdc says about a “deadly virus” when they’re part of our government that opened the border, invited, and continues to distribute thousands of “disease carrying invaders” across our country during a “global pandemic”???...”

Obviously you don’t agree with the Biden administration’s belief that it can fight the virus while opening the border and that it can do both at the same time. I would suggest you take that up with the Biden administration. Continuing to post similar comments on this forum will not accomplish anything.


65 posted on 05/06/2021 10:21:24 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke
There’s no way short of a vaccine passport to prove you’ve had the vaccine. Given a choice between vaccine passports or trusting the unvaccinated to be truthful... Jawhol, umbermenschen Dugway.


66 posted on 05/06/2021 10:21:26 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster

bagster wrote: “You have blood on your hands.”

The blood is on the hands of those attempting to discourage people from taking the safe vaccines which are effective in preventing illness, hospitalizations, and death.

If you doubt the safety of the vaccines, then show us the piles of dead killed by the vaccines. With over 100 million doses delivered, you shouldn’t have much trouble.

If you doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines, then explain how the vaccination campaign has reduced the number of cases, illnesses, hospitalization, and deaths. All are falling as the number of vaccinations increase.


67 posted on 05/06/2021 10:25:56 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke
The CDC is far more credible than America’s Front Line Doctors or Childrens Health Defense. Or, any of the anti-vaxxer propaganda sites often referenced here.


68 posted on 05/06/2021 10:27:11 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster

bagster wrote: ....

Given a choice between wearing a mask and making a false claim to have been vaccinated, what would you expect?


69 posted on 05/06/2021 10:28:27 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke

i asked you because you posted links to the cdc on this thread...


70 posted on 05/06/2021 10:32:13 AM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: Salamander
In about a year or so, all we have to do is watch out for the walking dead "gene mutations"


71 posted on 05/06/2021 10:32:25 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: entropy12
I am not in medical field, but I have great powers of observation and common sense. I see 150,000,000 Americans already have at least 1 shot of covid vaccine, and I have not seen reports of mass problems, much less mass deaths.


72 posted on 05/06/2021 10:41:51 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: DugwayDuke
Does that mean you will be taking the vaccine when they’re approved later this year?

F to the NO.

The FDA is not a guarontor (is that a word?) of drug safety. At this point, they are nothing but a political entity, sold to the highest bidder.

What is this strange obsession you have with trusting the government? Does the 2020 election ring a bell?


73 posted on 05/06/2021 10:45:04 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: DugwayDuke
That’s an absurd question because you have no reliable method of verifying anyone’s professional qualification on this forum.

I'll take that as a no.

I'm thinking more some type of government or pharma apparatchik.


74 posted on 05/06/2021 10:46:27 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: DugwayDuke
Continuing to post similar comments on this forum will not accomplish anything.

And yet you keep posting vax sales pitches on thread after thread.

Physician, heal thyself.

(see what I did thur)


75 posted on 05/06/2021 10:49:11 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: SeekAndFind
Instead, we’ve got to accept the fact that the virus will become a “manageable threat” and continue to bedevil the world for years to come.

An idea Trump had about 12 months ago, except our wannbe overlords were too busy gaslighting the world that the Orange man was bad, and science had the answer.

76 posted on 05/06/2021 10:52:41 AM PDT by Fzob
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To: DugwayDuke
The blood is on the hands of those attempting to discourage people from taking the safe vaccines which are effective in preventing illness, hospitalizations, and death.

Nope. Thousands of Americans dead and climbing. That blood is on YOUR hands, mister vax shill.

Your masters are going to great lengths to keep their bloody secret.

And its not just death we have to worry about. Strokes, heart issues, reproductive issues, and a plethora of f'd upidness.

Your vax is poison. And lets not even talk about the long term issues that NOBODY can predict. Much less your pharma companies, CDC, and your fake, store bought scientists.

If we can save even one life by NOT vaxing, then why would we not?


77 posted on 05/06/2021 10:55:18 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: DugwayDuke
bagster wrote: ....

Given a choice between wearing a mask and making a false claim to have been vaccinated, what would you expect?

I assume that's the same argument had in German conference rooms while patching together the 'yellow Juden star' policy.

How'd that work out?

But seriously. You're not a conservative, are you? You're some kinda infiltrator. NO CONSERVATIVE ALIVE would talk like you talk.

'Fess up.


78 posted on 05/06/2021 10:59:20 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster

Seems about right.

:D


79 posted on 05/06/2021 11:04:32 AM PDT by Salamander (Salamander has barbaric tendencies.../Gundog)
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To: bagster

The FDA “approved” Vioxx.

How’d that work out?


80 posted on 05/06/2021 11:10:56 AM PDT by Salamander (Salamander has barbaric tendencies.../Gundog)
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