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EU estimates 150,000 Russian troops near Ukraine’s borders
https://apnews.com ^ | 4/19/2021 | By RAF CASERT

Posted on 04/19/2021 9:41:08 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19

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To: dfwgator

Read the “BTW” part of my post for a clue.


61 posted on 04/19/2021 11:14:08 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: RomanSoldier19

“BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union is estimating that 150,000 Russian troops have already amassed for the biggest military buildup ever near Ukraine’s borders“

I would say third biggest. The biggest was German Nazi EU armies, then the Red Army that kicked them out. There may be bigger ones if you go back to mongol days.


62 posted on 04/19/2021 11:32:59 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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To: dfwgator

lol


63 posted on 04/19/2021 11:44:23 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: DesertRhino

The people who type up the “News” for us have no sense of history. Nothing really took place before they were born.


64 posted on 04/19/2021 11:51:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("I see you did something -- why you so racist?")
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To: FreeReign

And yet, I still don’t care.


65 posted on 04/19/2021 12:08:09 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Mariner
Any future threat to Russia from China relates to Chinese plans to reclaim former Chinese territories in the Central Asian “stans” and to Eastern Siberia. However, like Japan in the 1930s, it looks like the Chinese leadership is aligning with the “strike south” faction, toward Taiwan, the Philippines, and Southeast Asia. The Chinese reportedly considering a move into Afghanistan, as the U.S. pulls out, may be an attempt to gain a position close to South Asia.
66 posted on 04/19/2021 12:11:25 PM PDT by Wallace T. ( )
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To: Wallace T.

There’s a lot of untapped mineral wealth in Afghanistan. China has already made some exploratory moves there.


67 posted on 04/19/2021 12:14:05 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
There is also the poppy crop in Afghanistan, a money maker and a source for the heroin that is poisoning young people in the United States and the Western democracies. The problem with a Chinese presence in Afghanistan is logistics. China has a very small border with that nation. The Chinese would have to access Afghanistan through Pakistan, Iran, or the Central Asian republics.

Then there is the question: can the Chinese succeed where the British, Soviets, and Americans failed? Our forces had restricted rules of engagement, but the Soviets were, like the Chinese, Communists and unrestrained by rules based on humanitarian considerations. Communist ethics are "ends justify the means". Yet the Soviets failed.

68 posted on 04/19/2021 12:30:34 PM PDT by Wallace T. ( )
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To: Wallace T.

China has been plotting revenge for The Opium Wars for a long time.


69 posted on 04/19/2021 12:31:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Wallace T.

Both the Soviet approach and even our approach to Afghanistan was too large a “foreign footprint” for Afghanistan. I suspect the Chinese approach will be much more through surrogates. China historically doesn’t like to be in close contact with the “foreign barbarians” just needs to be able to manipulate them. The “barbarians “ need to acknowledge the hegemony of the “Middle Kingdom” and China is satisfied.


70 posted on 04/19/2021 12:40:19 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Captain Peter Blood

The Vietnam and Korean Wars are open to debate. I’m not
going to get sidetracked when it’s possible we may be looking
at the precursors to a full fledged global war.

As I mentioned, I’m just mentioning what it looks like to me.
It most likely won’t develop into that, but we sure as hell
better not get caught with our pants down.


71 posted on 04/19/2021 12:42:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Folks, if you haven't yet, please start an automatic monthly for Jim and his crew.)
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To: dfwgator

Nie obchodziło cię to.


72 posted on 04/19/2021 1:04:37 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Levy78

The other shoe is set to drop. A manufactured spark will come from an unlikely source. Then the war will hit with a very big bang—resting on the belief that the USA can do little or lacks the resources and resolve to fight. If we go into Civil War (This time not just four years but longer) or if we pull apart the fabric of the nation with power grabs. I speculated on what would be the spark?
1. Iran detonates an Atomic Bomb
2. Taiwan shoots down a Chinese bomber.
3. Chinese occupy a Japanese Island.
4. The Profreedom Taiwanese President is Assassinated.
5. Ukraine kills a bunch of ProRussian “Rebels”.
6. Ukrainians use rocket to sink a Russian ship.
7. Russia seizes Beloruss.
8. Iran attacks Saudi Arabia, Gulf States.


73 posted on 04/19/2021 1:19:55 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“I divide the political world into two sides: Globalists and Nationalists.”

And that is a simplistic view of things and where you go wrong.

And on Putin...he is a KGB officer through and through. He has appointed himself President for life and he has silenced the Russian journalists, unless they fully support him.

He is a clear dictator and has attempted and committed murder against his political opponents and dissidents.


74 posted on 04/19/2021 2:09:27 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: PGR88

Ukraine has hated and despised the Russians for many years in the past and they have good reason to do so.

If the Russian minorities wish to leave they can go back to Russia at any time ...But that would take away the Hitlerian excuse to invade and illegally annex territory, so Russia will not allow that in an significant form.


75 posted on 04/19/2021 2:12:54 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
Ukraine has hated and despised the Russians for many years in the past and they have good reason to do so.

They despised Poles too, killed over 100,000 of them during WWII.

76 posted on 04/19/2021 2:13:43 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: rbmillerjr
Ukraine has hated and despised the Russians for many years in the past and they have good reason to do so.

First of all, that’s an incorrect statement. I know several Ukrainians who have Russian relatives, speak Russian, are Orthodox Christians and do not view Russia as an enemy. They see clearly how Ukraine is now a pawn in both Russian and NATO politics.

Secondly - you ignored the point. How is maintaining the presently kleptocracy in Ukraine the USA’s business at all? How does it benefit any American besides our oligarchs? Stop using the childish “Hitler” argument. We expect that from leftists.

77 posted on 04/19/2021 2:21:36 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: RomanSoldier19

My guess is that returning the free flow of water to Crimea and some level of autonomy for Donbass would make the Russian troops go away. Maybe Putin would throw several billion rubles to get Ukraine off Russia’s back.


78 posted on 04/19/2021 2:35:34 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
Maybe Putin would throw several billion rubles to get Ukraine off Russia’s back.

"10% to the big guy!"

79 posted on 04/19/2021 2:36:10 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Am I wrong?

About Russia? Yes, you are. But not about China.

It's been our meddling in Ukraine, under Obama, that fomented a revolution that alienated those in Crimea and Donbass. We installed a regime hostile to Moscow that tried to cutoff access to the port in Crimea. There was no way the Russians were going to lose access the port.

There is no evidence that the Russians are going to go anywhere that aren't wanted.

80 posted on 04/19/2021 2:41:14 PM PDT by Kazan
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