Posted on 04/13/2021 5:39:11 AM PDT by CodeJockey
The sergeant major of the Army commended the second lieutenant whose December traffic stop prompted a lawsuit and the firing of a Virginia police officer for remaining cool as a pair of cops pointed their weapons at him.
"Like many of you," Sergeant Major of the Army Michael Grinston tweeted Monday, "I was concerned by the video of [2nd Lt. Caron] Nazario's traffic stop in December. He represented himself and our Army well through his calm, professional response to the situation -- I'm very proud of him."
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“They stopped him for not having his temporary tag, which they could have seen once he stopped.”
The tag was placed in the rear window, a ticketable offense here in Virginia. The only place to legally display the tag is in the license plate holders on the front and rear bumpers. Virginia cops are pretty anal about this. You are also required to display tags on both front and rear of the vehicle.
First Mr Butterbars didn’t stop immediately, cops hate that.
The the Magnificent Mr Butterbars was uncooperative and possibly antagonistic.
The Lt made too many bad choices.
“I’m strongly pro cop.”
I’m pro-cop and pro-military...but ALL three of them were jerks. Punishment will not be fairly distributed either. One cop has already lost his job, the other will spend his career guarding the local trash dump, the SJW soldier will be Peter Principled up to General eventually.
We’re so screwed.
“Maybe shine a flashlight into the rear window?”
The window tint would prevent one from seeing anything inside until right up on the window. The fear would be someone inside is getting ready to shoot the cop and the first the cop would know of it would be when bullets started flying. Windows with tint that dark ought to be outlawed.
In the full video, the temp license was NOT visible at all, and it was clear the cops were nervous about walking up to a vehicle with no idea how many were inside or what they might be doing. Their orders were meant to get the driver exposed. Meanwhile, he was setting up a camera on his dash - ignoring the cops - and smirking and rolling his eyes. His contempt for the cops was VERY clear!
I don’t know if you saw my other post (#40) to different Freeper, but retired cop turned conservative commentator John Cardillo posted a video of his Tahoe - same model year as the one in this incident - with a piece of paper placed in roughly the same spot in broad daylight. It is - for all practical purposes - impossible to see.
What drives me mad is I used to live in GA at a time when they didn’t have temporary tags. People would just drive on what were ‘dealer tags,’ which were vanity placards of the dealer that sold the car. I made the mistake of driving up to Cincinnati and was pulled over the exact same way; at night and at gun point by Ohio State Troopers. I complied with the directions of the officers - they backed me up, put handcuffs on me, the whole 9-yards - and after they reviewed my paperwork, we all had a good laugh.
But, they couldn’t see any tags and they presumed the car was stolen off the dealer lot, understandably.
Interesting. Thanks for the insight.
A set up from the start. He knew exactly what he was doing. He gets a check from Windsor, Va and a cop loses his job over a POS POC.
Virginia law requires tags, permanent or temporary, to be mounted front and rear.
§ 46.2-715. Display of license plates.
License plates assigned to a motor vehicle, other than a moped, motorcycle, autocycle, tractor truck, trailer, or semitrailer, or to persons licensed as motor vehicle dealers or transporters of unladen vehicles, shall be attached to the front and the rear of the vehicle. The license plate assigned to a moped, motorcycle, autocycle, trailer, or semitrailer shall be attached to the rear of the vehicle. The license plate assigned to a tractor truck shall be attached to the front of the vehicle. The license plates issued to licensed motor vehicle dealers and to persons licensed as transporters of unladen vehicles shall consist of one plate for each set issued and shall be attached to the rear of the vehicle to which it is assigned.
For any summons issued for a violation of this section, the court may, in its discretion, dismiss the summons, where proof of compliance with this section is provided to the court on or before the court date.
Code 1950, § 46-101; 1954, c. 210; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-106; 1972, c. 609; 1974, c. 150; 1989, c. 727; 2013, c. 783; 2014, cc. 53, 256; 2017, c. 670.
Window tint is funny. I watched a video from a state trooper over a decade ago who would park his vehicle 90-degrees to the road and hit his brights. You could see right through the tint that otherwise (during the day) would be nearly impossible to see through clearly.
And you are right, the tag should be blatantly visible. Here in NM you can tint darker than many states (except in Bernalillo County, where Albuquerque is, they have more restrictive rules on tint than the rest of the state). During the daytime I see many vehicles with no tags and nothing apparent in the rear window. No one ever seems to get lit up for that here, though.
Many dealers here will put the temp paper tag on the rear license plate holder to comply. NM doesn't use front license plates.
“Well, I wouldn’t read too much into that.”
Ok I won’t. The video another poster gave is very well narrated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBMnJyOiT0&t=137s
Good to know. And a local dealer should know that and should have placed the tags appropriately. If they did, and the Lt moved them, that's on him.
I’m starting to see a pattern, certain people are argumentative, don’t adhere to LEO directives, run, fight, etc. Then sh*t happens and it’s ALWAYS the officers fault. They call it, policing while White.
Doesn't the dealer put the tag on the vehicle for the customer?
I'd be surprised if it wasn't, and its reasonable for the customer to assume it was done properly.
That would be a safe presumption. But, we don’t know where he purchased the car, nor can we know for certain if he may have moved the tag himself. Here in FL, it’s been my experience that dealers usually put the tags in the rear license plate holder. But, many people will move them inside the car because it rains so much. This is fine so long as the tag is - by statute - ‘clearly visible’ from outside the car.
Screw you! Those cops were out of control and they needlessly made what could have been a polite traffic stop into a career ending event because of “Muh Authritah!!!”.
Smart officers know to listen to their sgts.
There’s a little town outside of Pendleton called San Diego and back in the 1980’s the cops would target anyone in uniform or anyone with a regulation haircut.
Very Proud?
And when this lieutenant gets in the face of his colonel and gives him a rash of attitude, will the Sergeant Major also be very proud?
Yet another reason why the military is not the best option for young people today.
Might as well go to school and be taught CRT and how to BLM.
lol You’re headed for cop trouble too with that attitude.
I had a cop shouting and yelling at me with a gun drawn once.... for parking my car in a remote lot so I could make out with my girlfriend before prom. I was wearing a freaking white tuxedo with a flower on my lapel.
Did I try to argue with the cop? No.
I did what he said.
He warned us against being stopped in that area, because of a rash of car thefts. And, sent us on our way.
It’s really not THAT hard.
Some people just cannot do as they’re told, not even for a minute... cause they’re eat up with attitude, like yours.
I have had three interactions with aggressive LEOs in my life. Never once did it occur to me that they were acting like a$$wipes because of my race. They were just being jerks.
I will say that if all of this new “sensitivity” leads to LEOs being more courteous and less aggressive, it isn’t all bad.
And lived longer!
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