Posted on 01/28/2021 4:07:38 AM PST by Kaslin
Ditching the GOP is a bad idea born of justifiable frustration, and we need to stop being emotional and start being ruthless in our campaign to retake this country from these liberal establishment aspiring fascists. A third party is not the way. It is a bad idea, one that is technically impractical and which is strategically inept. It will lead to disaster. And the Democrats know it, which is why they love this third party palaver. The only thing that makes the tooting likes of Eric Swalwell coo in delight harder than some mediocre Chi Com honeypot is the thought of us conservatives committing ritual suicide by splitting our half of the country in two because some of the 50 percent of Americans in our camp are insufferable sissies.
News flash, folks. We’re going to have to suffer the sissies forever. The question is whether they run the party apparatus, or whether they are consigned to the fringes, scribbling in their blogs about how True Conservatism™ requires that we go to war everywhere, that we allow giant corporations to limit our speech, and that we all wear vinyl gimp suits with ball gags and address Nancy Pelosi as “Mistress P.”
Just kidding.
The part about “we” going to war is a joke. You and your kids get to go to war while they, with very few exceptions, who never shut up about it, get to stay home and fight their endless war against push-ups and testosterone. The rest is pretty dead-on.
Let’s look at the big picture. The design of the Constitution essentially mandates a two-party system. A third party has never won the presidency, and one rarely wins legislative seats. Usually, such candidates call themselves “independents,” but Democrats know they are really Democrats and understand this is just a ploy to appeal to the suckers.
There is always going to be a party of the left, and a party of the right, with the battle over the middle. A party getting 55 percent of the vote is considered to have won in a landslide. America is that closely divided. For our sins, the party of the right is the Republican Party. And math says we are stuck with it.
You cannot divide the 50 percent of America on the right up and hope to beat the 50 percent on the left. It does not work, and all the hopes, dreams, and krakens of a million outraged conservatives on Twitter will not make it so. Politics must be about addition, and that implies we need to add people who are not as conservative as we are. If you want purity, date a nun. This is politics, and if you don’t win, you lose.
I propose we win.
Third parties do have a track record of disrupting elections. The Left blamed the Greens for Bush in 2000, and some blame the Libertarians, among other factors, for President * in 2020. Clinton won in 1992 because Perot split the vote for George H.W. Bush. But these events all have one thing in common – the third party never wins. Nor will one.
Trump himself seems to understand, walking back the “Patriot Party” stuff in order to settle in as a GOP kingmaker. He knows he loses in 2024 running as a third party candidate – 50 percent of people already hate him and some percentage of the GOP will stay GOP out of habit if nothing else. You can’t expect to win if you start off, best case, losing 50 percent + 1. But by remaining in the GOP – as its most popular figure by far – he has real power to influence events.
The third party talk also ignores the practical reality of the GOP’s irreplaceable infrastructure. A competitive national political party is a Broadway play, not a show some kids put on in a barn. While some imagine a sort of spontaneous, math-defying movement materializing out of the political ether, the reality is that a party structure performs essential tasks and there is no substitute for it. Who has the donor lists, the volunteer lists, the organization to drive get out the vote efforts? The party. You can’t patch one together overnight out of fervor and contempt for the squishes.
There are many things that are critical that go into a campaign and go on behind the scenes that most of us never even imagined. For example, who are the lawyers who worked for the GOP who know election law who will be leaving their GOP contracts to come and keep the “MAGA Party” candidates out of jail? You think the Establishment will give the “Constitutionalist Party” a pass for not understanding the campaign finance laws? And who pays these lawyers, assuming any really good ones want to flush their career in electoral law down the toilet to go all-in on a losing one-shot cause?
That’s just one example of many of the things a party infrastructure does, and no one is going to build another national structure (not to mention a structure in each of the 50 states) in the next four years. It is appealing to leave the jerks in the GOP behind, but if you do, you are choosing irrelevance.
But hey, you’re angry so you gotta cater to those feelz.
That’s stupid and weak. Tighten up. Yeah, the GOP establishment sucks – and no, you’re not the only one who has noticed. We are always going to have people near the center who frustrate us. That’s the reality, and being angry about it is like yelling at clouds. But what we can do – and have done – is slowly force the party to conform more closely to our vision. It’s like turning the Titanic, an apt metaphor if there ever was one, but it is happening already.
Look at the GOP just five years ago and look at it today. Yeah, we have the rump Renfield contingent with tiresome goofs like Mitt (R?-Miracle Whip). We have others who alternate between establishment-curious moderate wimpiness and coming through for us at many key junctures – Susan Collins, Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham. But look at what we don’t have – Jeff Flake is gone. Jeb! is a flabby footnote. And as hard as Nikki! is trying to make herself happen, she’s not happening. The GOP has shifted our way – on wars, on culture, on tech, on playing to win. We have earned the support of Americans of all races in unprecedented numbers because we have focused on people who – remember this? – work hard and play by the rules. That’s progress. Not enough, not nearly, but to deny the progress because you are angry only empowers the people you are angry at. We can’t throw out what we have already achieved simply because we have much more work to do. Take the W, people.
We need to do more. We need to infiltrate the infrastructure and remake the Republican Party from the inside into a party for working Americans of every demographic who love their country and demand their rights, as opposed to the 2015 party that shafted working Americans so Democrat-donor big corporations can rig the system and let SJW twerps endlessly hassle us for the crime of being normal.
But Kurt, we do vote and sometimes we lose!
Yes. You will lose much of the time. This is called reality. People who compete often lose. The ones who don’t compete never lose, but they never win either.
Here’s your action plan. If you are a registered Republican, stay that way. If not, register Republican. Then vote in the primaries to rid ourselves of squishes. Then take the next step. Find your local GOP organization and join, then run for local party and then government offices. We need to build our farm team, and that means traveling along the American cursus honorum from GOP precinct captain to county GOP committee member to city council to state assembly to Congress and beyond.
Gee Kurt, that sounds like hard work.
It is. It’s a lot easier to declare you are never ever voting GOP again on Twitter. But I was under the impression that we are the faction that is not averse to hard work, especially when it is our country at stake. So, this is a test – if you’re serious about winning, you stay GOP.
A third party hands total control over to the left, and if you want to see what that scenario looks like, check out my newest novel Crisis, as well as my other four novels of America splitting into red and blue nations, People's Republic, Indian Country, Wildfire, and Collapse!
The brand is irreparably tarnished. It’s negative public image is insurmountable baggage to expanding its voter base. Yeah, it’ll be tough going at first. But there are no viable alternatives.
So what? You are another who sees "defeating Bidens" as a win, even if it means electing backstabbing quislings like Romney, McConnell, McCarthy, Cheney, et al. And by their not supporting Trump in his attempt to overcome the 2020 election theft, electing Bidens is all that can happen going forward, third party or no.
About two thirds of the cooks in the restaurant are bad, but the management doesn't care. The easiest way to make the management care is to find out who is cooking before you go. Cruz, yes. Cornyn, no.
By far the best strategy is to primary losers like Cornyn and Rubio, but management will sabotage that at every opportunity. When they do, the correct response is just to let a democrat have the seat.
This is bad, but usually democrats run more conservative people in red states/districts and a democrat in a red state or district is far easier to get rid of than a RINO. Plus the republicans managed to hand power to the democrats in the senate anyway in a presidential election year with a popular president.
It is worth remembering that the republican party absolutely sabotaged themselves for the entire four years Trump was in office out of pure spite for him. So you aren't losing as much as you think when democrats take power. Also, the more people actually experience democrat rule, the more they know how dysfunctional it is.
The money quote - and amen!
Here’s your action plan. If you are a registered Republican, stay that way. If not, register Republican. Then vote in the primaries to rid ourselves of squishes. Then take the next step. Find your local GOP organization and join, then run for local party and then government offices. We need to build our farm team, and that means traveling along the American cursus honorum from GOP precinct captain to county GOP committee member to city council to state assembly to Congress and beyond.
Gee Kurt, that sounds like hard work.
It is. It’s a lot easier to declare you are never ever voting GOP again on Twitter. But I was under the impression that we are the faction that is not averse to hard work, especially when it is our country at stake. So, this is a test – if you’re serious about winning, you stay GOP.
A third party hands total control over to the left
Dear Kurt, I read your very very dated and pretty much blinkered view of the coming events if we have a third party.
As someone put it, this view many have been ok for 2015, but not 2021.
Some realities you may not want to see:
The GOP is named due to its past, and for good reason, it was a patchwork of the Whigs when built.
There would be a third party, yes. This party would be the Republican Party. There were 75+ MILLION votes for not the Republican party but Our President Donald Trump.
Election Fraud WAS and still is being committed.
Take 75+ MILLION Patriots and I will take a guess at another 15 MILLION OTHER party voters and take that number OUT of the GOP voter base and what have we got.
A new Party with 90+ million Voters from moment One. And I can tell you that USPDJT is not only aware of it, though I am not a betting man he can see if his Hammer into the GOPe by private negotiations does not work, which is actually why he is quiet about things because the GOPe and every republican and their staff and families KNOW that if the word came down to leave and start a new Party then they will be trying to run for electable office without a voting base.
Yes, it will be a hard fight, though considering what we have seen since Uniparty choice * has taken office does not a hard fight beat being confirmed and made the cattle for slaughter that we can already READ in their EO, their Press briefings, their Government ABCDEF departments illegal arrests (MEME maker) seriously !!
So unless your going to be by our shoulder one would suggest that you go hide somewhere while REAL Patriots do what we can to cut our ties from the Duality of the UNIPARTY which in turn will strip them of voters, and we fight for the future of our Nation, not just to be bent over till we can see the flames of the firepit Both Parties AND the Global swamp want to see us driven into.
Now for the boo hoo stay with the UNiparty and win from within My wife had to restrain me so here is the censored version.
: You are either blinded by financial gain from the UNiparty being in power
: You are suffering Battered wife syndrome and will wake up as soon as you see what can happen if you got the guts to tough it out.
: You are pawns of the UNiparty.
:You want things back the way it has been but do not desire to change anything and hope that someone will sort it out.
100 plus people here and at the start of this thread it looked like a rush from the posters to see if you could outdo the next person at being able to display an irrational and biased effort to keep the sheep in the GOP pen as the slaughter is coming but it is ok to keep wishing for change and btw, your wishes have Never been answered.!!!
Do not cry me a river, Those of us who are a damn sight more interested in saving our Families Futures from the Totalitarian State we now are living in will do the heavy lifting.
Bless you all, because you and My family are going to need it to save ourselves from those who cannot fathom that Their view of how to do things just prolongs the end, it does not have a chance at saving them for last.
The Wombat Family
Actually, a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
That’s what voting for RINOs is like.
If anyone can pull off a third party win, it’s Trump.
It’s worth doing at least once. If he fails in 2024, oh well, back to two parties in 28.
I’ll certainly be voting for Trump in 24 if he runs.
By your Logic the GOP shouldn’t exist—and their would still be Whigs on the Ballot. Once the Republicans were a Third Party that Hated Slavery and Mormons. Or are you one of those fools who believe “History has stopped” and borders can never change (well Russia doesn’t buy that and expanded at Ukraine expense and Georgia’s and China—They did it to Tibet and they are doing it to Hong Kong as we speak. No, history has not stopped. The nation needs Third Parties and some have made profound impacts when one of the two faltered (Like the Whigs on the Slavery Question). The GOP is faltering now—Our slavery issue is immigration and Religion, Abortion and Crime. The Patriot Party can not be a one person (Trump) party but one based on simple platforms—five or six things. Like the Peronistas of Argentina —that outlasted Juan and Evita Peron—The Patriot Party must be ready to go beyond Trump—To become the Second Party and let the GOP fall into the waste bin of history. The elephant must die so the Lion can rule. A new Century needs a new Party.
The state level failed us. The only way the election could have been repaired was for the state legislators to quit talking and decertify the faulty electors or certify a second set of electors.
Here’s the problem: democrats want to make it illegal to ‘disagree with them’ - they’re trying to codify ‘thought crimes’. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out democrats next few moves...
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Please stop posting that crap about the 93-7 certification vote. It was a meaningless formality. The best approach and most astute points I saw from any U.S. Senator was from a guy who was one of the 93: Tom Cotton.
He understood the whole fiasco but had one key condition to be met before he would support an objection to the electoral votes of any state: He asked for a statement in support of the objection from a person or governing body from that state who was legally authorized to make a formal representation on behalf of that state. This could have come from a governor, a legislature, a state attorney general, or anyone else.
THERE WERE NONE.
Absolutely not. The facts bear me out. There were “none” precisely because national Republicans were not lighting rockets off on state Republicans to uphold the oaths they swore to provide fair elections. I find it quite telling Pence was not on the leaked call with the GA GOP and the SECRETARY OF STATE was. What’s up with THAT?
This was an entirely predictable two month long game of hot potato between the swamp and state GOP to certify the stolen election. No mainline GOP stakeholders were interested in supporting POTUS and MAGA. They preferred Biden and got him. It’s that simple.
Donald Trump, Josh Hawley, Devin Nunes, and Jim Jordan are Republicans.
The list is not as long as it should be, but after taking a serious beating at the Kasserine Pass in 1943, we didn't just pack up and head back to the States....
That's nothing to brag about - short attention spans are normally relegated to future residents of Soviet-style gulags.
Democrats burn and loot cities for months - to the tune of two billion dollars worth of damage - and our people sit on their hands.
Our people protest and one window and one door is broken and the violent part of the protest is over in less than 2 hours and it’s a bigger deal than what antifa and BLM did all last year?
And OUR Republicans do not step forward to talk about ‘mostly peaceful’ protest - and ‘the few’ who went violent? They leave us hanging in the wind?
Democrats protect their innocent AND they protect their guilty. ALL WE’RE ASKING FOR IS PROTECTION OF OUR INNOCENT AND THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AND RIGHT TO PROTEST.
If the Republican party can’t protect us we’re better off trying to replace them... let THEM be the third party. BUT ONLY if Trump is willing to head the new party...if he says Republican then we stay Republican.
I guess that ends that debate.
Seriously, this is partly why the GOP is the way it is - lazy thinkers.
BTW Here's a list of political third parties in the US that did not make it.
Also check out the historical parties and the year they were created and the year they were disbanded. Two didn't even last a whole year.
By insisting for a third party you all are against President Trump and not for him.
Wake up
As first advocated by George Washington. And why I registered as an independent fifty years ago and have remained one ever since.
But I am ready to join whatever third party Trump forms (if he does).
Yes. You will lose much of the time. This is called reality.
Kurt, you pompous prick.
Losing is not the same as having an election STOLEN IN PLAIN SIGHT.
Stop your lecture about what we should do, and join in the exposure of voter fraud.
Jerkoffs like you are the reason we keep getting beaten by the cheating demonRATS, you won't or can't admit the truth.
ESAD.
Since when has a complete government outsider won a presidential election?
I stand by my post.
If you don’t think Trump can do it, that’s your business.
Don’t tell me what I think.
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