Don’t abandon the GOP; take it over and use the ballot access and many effective officeholders it already has

American Thinker ^ | Jan 14, 2021 | Thomas Lifson

[Chad C. Mulligan]

Kenneth R. Timmerman today properly reminds us that it is leaders, not institutions, that have betrayed us. James S. Corum reminds us today of the deep bench that resides in the party below the level of top congressional leaders — and the formidable power of state governments and political organizations under GOP control.

Discarding these tools amounts to unilateral disarmament just as we need them in the critical elections ahead. Leaders can be influenced and discarded, but institutions take a long time to build.

We have state-level redistricting in immediate prospect and a midterm election in less than 22 months. It is critical to allow the American people to vote for a national party that will resist the radical Democrats via electing Republican congressional majorities, as the overreach of the left becomes clear to the sensible majority of American voters.

[alexander_busek]

Perhaps, but the Libertarian Party was essentially formed by disgruntled Republicans.

Your implication being, "...and thus doomed to fail (or even to help vote Dems into office."

That may hold true in the case of tiny splinter parties like the Libertarians.

But if a sizable third party were to form and last for at least two election cycles, it would result in a lasting tectonic shift in the American political landscape.

Even if, during the first election cycle, the new pro-Trump party garnered only 25% of the votes (and I think that likely), thus guaranteeing a Democrat victory, as long as the new party didn't therefore instantly crumble and fall to the wayside, during the subsequent election cycle, the remaining members of the old Republican electorate (which might have gotten, say, 22% in the first election cycle, thus relegating them to THIRD place) might then have a "Come to Jesus"-moment, and realize that they can't continue sitting on the fence - that they have to choose sides.

Regards,

[PIF]

Chad, sorry you missed the nationwide take over of the US voting system by the Democrat party. I guess you believe that, come the next ‘election’, the Democrat party will be stricken with remorse and allow a free and fair election, even to risking losing seats to the GOP and relinquishing some power.

HHAHAHAHAA you are funny!

[Pollard]

Problem is, there’s a lot of rich powerful people behind the scenes that we don’t even know. There’s politicians plus a few spokespeople like the Ronna Romney McDaniel, the Schlapps that we do know. What do they actually do for a living anyway?

Mr Sclapps is as well groomed as any billionaire or hollywood movie star that makes 20 million per film but what do they actually do in between occasional fox news appearances? Rally rich neverTrumpers, globalists and the CoC for money?

There are probably dozens of people like that who we don’t know the identity of. Unless we could get rid of all those that wield the levers of power in the gop/rnc, it will never change. Their goals are globalist goals.

It’s a club and you ain’t in it. If you’re a good looking woman with a crooked mouth/jaw, or have incisors, you might be able to marry into the club. Rich repub men seem to have a type. Kinda bizarre.

[Jim Noble]

how many elections has the Libertarian party won....answer...very few!!!

But that's because autistic white incels with IQs >115 and dopers together are not enough to form a majority, and they repel everyone else.

[Twitmo]

Our President REMAINS our President no matter who gets sworn in this month.

He remains our leader.

Trump says that he will primary, just like you said. If he says otherwise, then we will follow.

Now then...

I am sure our President would be delighted if we speed things along with recall petitions and clear out half of the DNC from DC along with some RINOs. And we can recall some unpopular governors.

If California can do it, so can many other states.

But there is a time issue here— swampy state legislators will quickly move to change recall laws when this gets traction.

[silverleaf]

If any party deserves to be infiltrated, it is the progressive left
Imagine 40 million Republicans switching parties....we’d be the biggest bloc

[nathanbedford]

it's time for the GOP to die as an organization.

I agree entirely with your list and with your conclusion. As to the list I would add that one gets a bone of tax cuts, although they are mostly directed for the benefit of elites, and a strong dose of crony capitalism with notable rescues of establishment bankruptcies etc.

There are 3 things that we should get but do not: 1) balanced budgets; 2) defense of liberty; 3) defense against the military, economic, and philosophical existential threat now subverting the country.

The first is only a pipe dream and practical reality tells us that it is idle to waste electoral capital on this issue until the devastating economic crash comes and the pieces have to be put back together. This assumes that there will be a restoration after the crash rather than a sinking blackhole reminiscent not of Germany after the war but of Venezuela. History tells us that our hope is improbable because the applied remedy for failed socialism is invariably more socialism.

The second must be one of the pillars of recovery because without those liberties expressed in the Bill of Rights there is no recovery nor any reason to struggle for one. In the effort to regroup, the moral foundation of individual liberties is indispensable. Without it there is no emotional attachment to efforts to reform or replace the GOP and, without that, well-intentioned efforts will avail nothing.

The third concerns an existential threat which has thoroughly corrupted the American political, media, academic, business and technological elite organizations. My fear is that leftist Quislings in America will simply open the gates and invite the Chinese barbarians in for them to co-opt and oppress through domestic puppets. Without victory against China, just as in the fight for civil liberties, there can be no meaningful victory. This is bare survival.

In my view the GOP or its successor must prevail in these two matters or fail.

[taxcontrol]

This concept ONLY works if the GOP is willing to flat out oust current serving members of Congress for not supporting the party.

For example, the WY State GOP should oust Cindy McCain from the state party and not provide any support to her or her campaign. During the primary season, the party should run a different candidate. Further, the party should send a legal notice that informs her that she may NO LONGER call herself a member of the GOP.

Unless and until, the party is prepared to take steps to oust those that destroy the party within, this is all just navel gazing.

[dfwgator]

This concept ONLY works if the GOP is willing to flat out oust current serving members of Congress for not supporting the party.

It's up to the voters to do that. That is actually where I think Trump needs to place his energies. Set up a team to go to every Congressional district and identify one candidate to get the "MAGA Seal of Approval" to run in the 2022 GOP Primaries. Then Trump will come in to rally for these candidates.

[Peter W. Kessler]

No.

I will not.

My support for this politically retarded party is at an end.

Fini

Done

[taxcontrol]

If he is going to go through with that level of effort, why not start his own party? Seems like a whole lot of work to get a maybe response. If he capitalizes on his popularity, and moves 35 to 40 million of the folks that voted for him to another party, the GOP will die off anyway.

[OHelix]

“Why would I, a Christian conservative, continue to support them? Just because they’re ‘team red’?”

You are conflating fighting the enemy within the party, with supporting the enemy.

It is that kind of, for give my candor, STUPID thinking that allows the enemy to win so often.

By that logic, why would you continue to support the USA, just because it’s “your team”? The enemy understands well how intelligently engineered ideas canbe used as weapons weaken its enemy. You are the victim of one of them. What they do NOT want you to think, is that the path to defeating them is defeating them in the most effective ways you can.

Electing Trump from WITHIN the party was effective.

Confusing weak minded people who suck at strategy games to champion what makes them FEEL better but actually strengthens their enemy is NOT effective.

[Mase]

Nonsense. The Republican Party is broken beyond repair. But debating the fate of the Republican Party is moot. Its fate was signed, sealed and delivered in November. The brazen fraud that the party refused to stand against will now be used in all down ballot races. We were very close to being a one-party system, and now, without anything to stop the Left, their dream of a true one-party state is imminent and assured.

[gunsequalfreedom]

Delusional cowards who sooth their sense of butthurt dreaming of forming a new, pure party, ignore tge reality that the new party will be just as easily infiltrated as the old...

I agree with you. We should all just give up.

[OHelix]

“In other words, quit making that nice party beat the crap out of you every two and four years, and there won’t be any more trouble!”

“I mean, one should never try to escape an abusive souse, after all - they might hurt you (again) if they find out!”

Terrible metaphor, but I will play...

Theology aside, if you are unfortunate enough to be in a union with someone who is maliciously abusive, if you simply leave, you surrender the home to the abuser; you lose everything and the abuser wins. That is generally their goal.

If you leave behind children with the abuser to save
yourself, what does that say about your character?

But most importantly, you are doing the precise opposite of taking the fight to the enemy, you are running away.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

It is my understanding that I am limited in how much money I can give to an individual candidate but unlimited in the amount I can give to the party.

So while me and my paleoconservative friends dribble out bits of money to true conservative candidates, corporate donors are shoveling massive amounts to the party that is currently run by RINOs.

How is it that we are to gain effective control when the purse strings continue to be held by the likes of the Turtle?

[OHelix]

I disagree, at least somewhat with your perception of the tea party.

The teaparty was not a third party, but a group that mostly worked within the republican party and, at the very least, I think, got Trump elected.

[DouglasKC]

Baloney. The party just wants your money so they can continue the uniparty lifestyle

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Don’t get me wrong, if the Republican isn’t a complete lump of dirt, and the Dum Dum is his only opponent, I’ll probably vote for the R. But I still feel a lot better about leaving the GOP in October.

#WalkAway

[MortMan]

It’s a perfectly apt metaphor, because the GOP “leadership” just deliberately scuttled the single best conservative champion of a President we have seen in at least 40 years.

The house is just property, and leaving the premises may deprive you of the use of the property, but does not automatically give your legal half to the abuser.

Leaving the children? That’s an absurdity.

With regard to character, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results has long been noted to be one definition of insanity. Your argument is designed to shame people into doing what they intellectually and emotionally have learned has no real effect on the party. It’s nonsensical, it’s a worn-out argument, and is at least in the shadow of insanity.

Both tactical and strategic withdrawal from a battlefield are taught in the military, for good reason. To waste one’s efforts on pursuit of an unobtainable goal, especially after every stratagem has been tried and sundered, is simply a waste of resources.

You question my character, but it is you who exhibit the bullying argument that borders on crazy after the last 30+ years of the GOPe.

I pity you, my FRiend.