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A suburban Chicago man chased down his stolen car with 2 teens inside, then shot them both
CHICAGO TRIBUNE ^ | JAN 03, 2021 | KATHERINE ROSENBERG-DOUGLAS

Posted on 01/04/2021 12:05:22 PM PST by SJackson

A suburban Chicago man chased down his stolen car with 2 teens inside, then shot them both, one fatally, after a struggle

Sgt. Chris Covelli said detectives Sunday were still trying to find out how the 35-year-old Round Lake Beach man — who had reported his 2012 Chevrolet sedan stolen from his Fairfield Road home Dec. 30 — spotted the car in Volo in the middle of the night. It wasn’t immediately clear whether he located it by coincidence, if he had a tracking system onboard or if he’d left some type of electronics in the car he could trace.

The 35-year-old, who is not being named because he has not been charged with a crime, called 911 when he and the two 17-year-old boys got into a confrontation and physical fight, Covelli said. When it was over, both teenagers were suffering from gunshot wounds.

“The caller was the 35-year-old, dispatchers could hear the physical altercation in the background,” Covelli wrote in an email.

One of the three was armed with a handgun, although detectives were not yet sure to whom the gun belonged, where he’d been carrying it or when or why he drew it. Covelli said it was too soon to say whether the gun owner had a firearm owner’s identification card or a concealed carry license.

“Sheriff’s detectives are working to determine this as well ...,” he said. “One would need a FOID card and possibly a CCL to legally possess the firearm. I can’t say at this time whether or not anyone involved possessed those.”

It wasn’t clear how the confrontation escalated.

...snip..

“Sheriff’s detectives are speaking to everyone involved who is still living. Nobody has been charged thus far,” he wrote in an email.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


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To: reg45

Yes. The county between Chicago and the Wisconsin border.


41 posted on 01/04/2021 12:32:27 PM PST by SJackson (It is true that liberty is precious — so precious that it must be rationed., V Lenin)
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Hopefully the teens were the thiefs and didn’t buy it from skinny on the corner...but best of luck to the vehicle owner....


42 posted on 01/04/2021 12:33:32 PM PST by TnTnTn
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To: krug
Good work. You’ve got the right to protect what’s yours.

I agree, presuming by "what's yours" you mean your life not your car.

43 posted on 01/04/2021 12:33:42 PM PST by SJackson (It is true that liberty is precious — so precious that it must be rationed., V Lenin)
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To: SJackson
"Agree. And if you asked, I bet she'd tell you not to recover the stolen property yourself."

She's a good enough friend she would rip me a new one right there in the station if I did that too.

44 posted on 01/04/2021 12:34:05 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: SJackson

“firearm owner’s identification card”

I feel safer knowing the “teens” committing crimes have a firearm owner’s identification card.


45 posted on 01/04/2021 12:36:31 PM PST by Organic Panic (Flinging poo is not a valid argument)
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To: SJackson

The shootees relatives will be in a bad way if the shooter doesn’t have any large assets.


46 posted on 01/04/2021 12:39:45 PM PST by umgud
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To: MrBambaLaMamba
Vehicle owner not guilty

Usually we have to see a picture before we declare that. :)

47 posted on 01/04/2021 12:39:59 PM PST by Veggie Todd (Religion. It's like a History class. Without the facts. )
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To: Organic Panic

In this circumstance, the significance is that in IL lacking an FOID, the owner of the handgun is guilty of a felony. Gangbangers or felons in possession beat that charge easily. Citizens, not so much.


48 posted on 01/04/2021 12:40:44 PM PST by SJackson (It is true that liberty is precious — so precious that it must be rationed., V Lenin)
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To: SJackson

I know! I used to live in Lake County and worked in Waukegan. I’ve been in DuPage for the last 26 years.


49 posted on 01/04/2021 12:41:55 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Leave other people's stuff alone. The life you save may be your own.

Vigilante justice isn’t perfect, but its better than no justice at all. In fact, the threat of catching a bullet from a victim is a much higher deterrent to criminals than fear of police.

50 posted on 01/04/2021 12:43:11 PM PST by PGR88
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To: SJackson

I would argue that I didn’t need a concealed carry permit in this case.

CC laws are intended to prevent citizens from using firearms in confrontations when they present themsdelves. This need had already presented itself. The car owner was searching for the thieves of his car, and to retrieve his car from them. He had a right to do that. A confrontation was likely with car thieves who had a heightened likelyhood of being armed.


51 posted on 01/04/2021 12:43:48 PM PST by nagant
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To: Old Yeller
Did he really want all that blood on his upholstery?


52 posted on 01/04/2021 12:46:08 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SJackson

Nope. Wasn’t me. But I do heartily encourage this response.

L


53 posted on 01/04/2021 12:53:03 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: nagant
Concealment is probably not the issue. As to the CCL, better to argue it was cased, unloaded in your car prior to the incident. In general that's legal without a CCL. In Lake County. If you didn't have an FOID, owners identification, being in possession of a handgun is a felony for which there's not much defense.

Retrieving the car, I don't know, I suppose it means what chased means. I hate to speculate, but I suspect from the LEOs perspective the issues will be the propriety of his locating/chasing down the car. Which was his and imo is proper though risky. But which I'm sure, if charged, the prosecutor will use to attempt to strip him of his self defense right. And the nature of the confrontation itself, whether it was self defense or not. In the absence of video or witness' that's a tough one to prove either way.

54 posted on 01/04/2021 12:53:41 PM PST by SJackson (It is true that liberty is precious — so precious that it must be rationed., V Lenin)
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To: Drew68
People forget one important role the cops play is to protect criminals from the angry mob.

Absolutely correct. The settling of the American west is rich with stories about how vigilante justice finally brought law and order when the law wasn't much interested (or capable) of protecting the citizens.

Some of the vigilantes were quite fair in their administration of justice. Others not so much.

55 posted on 01/04/2021 12:56:43 PM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: SJackson

“...legal insurance because this will be expensive even if there are no charges.”

I have pretty good concealed carry insurance, but I am certain that it would not apply if I tracked someone down and killed them.

As for no charges, even if this was a righteous shoot, he’d be charged in Chicago.


56 posted on 01/04/2021 12:56:54 PM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: nagant
BTW, in IL transporting cased, unloaded in your car is technically OK on your person in most circumstances too.
57 posted on 01/04/2021 12:59:29 PM PST by SJackson (It is true that liberty is precious — so precious that it must be rationed., V Lenin)
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To: SJackson
From the article: It wasn’t immediately clear whether he located it by coincidence, if he had a tracking system onboard or if he’d left some type of electronics in the car he could trace.

Tracker or bait?

I wouldn't be surprised if the victim was off-duty law enforcement.

58 posted on 01/04/2021 1:00:22 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: Gen.Blather
I have pretty good concealed carry insurance, but I am certain that it would not apply if I tracked someone down and killed them.

In general, insurance can't pay out for the commission of a crime. Check your policy, I have USCCA and from memory they pay unless/until you're convicted, it stops then and don't require return of funds paid to you or your attorney prior to that. But don't take my word for it if you're concerned, check.

59 posted on 01/04/2021 1:03:07 PM PST by SJackson (It is true that liberty is precious — so precious that it must be rationed., V Lenin)
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To: SJackson

What time do the riots start? Oh...


60 posted on 01/04/2021 1:03:29 PM PST by Renkluaf
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