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We Had the Vaccine the Whole Time
New York Magazine ^ | December 7, 2020 | David Wallace-Wells

Posted on 12/08/2020 9:22:49 AM PST by karpov

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To: karpov

Ping for later.


41 posted on 12/08/2020 1:44:00 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Wake me when a prominent democrat actually gets prosecuted. ))))
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To: nitzy

No. It’s actually quite clear. You don’t get the thing the vaccine is against even when exposed. Jabbed by a rusty nail? Oh but you’re up to date on your vaccines, so you DON’T GET tetanus. Hang out with the wrong folks and get exposed to all three parts of MMR, but lucky you, you vaccined up, so you get neither M nor the R. It’s a pretty straightforward concept, unless you’re trying desperately to make a strawman, and failing.


42 posted on 12/08/2020 2:14:56 PM PST by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick )
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To: MeganC

You are mistaken. That is double-talk. The proteins that wrap around antigens are antibodies — it is precisely a proper immune response. Saying it isn’t a true vaccine is sophistry.

The mRNA causes cells to produce some parts (antigenic proteins of the virus capsule) of the virus, a noninfectious subset. These are produced (translated, folded, transported) the same way an infection with a virus would cause them to be produced.

These antigenic proteins then generate an immune response, which is effective against the virus just as thevirus would, against only the matching shapes and charge configuration of that protein.

I would agree with you about the risk of a vaccine causing autoimmine diseases if the vaccine includes adjuvants which to increase the propensity of the immune system to recognise any protein as non-self. Adjuvants arguably do “too good” a job and cause the immune system to mistake some random tissue type as non-self. But adjuvants arent used with these mRNA vaccines, they are used with many conventional vaccines.

Often, adjuvants are used to make vaccine manufacturing cheaper, by stretching the expensive antigenic protein. In at least the Moderna covid vaccine, your cells produce plenty of antigenic protein. Each mRNA molecule is translated many times to protein molecules before it degrades over a few days. It does not use adjuvants.


43 posted on 12/08/2020 2:16:21 PM PST by takebackaustin
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To: discostu

If it is so clear it should have been easy to define “get the thing” but you still didn’t. What is the closest one could come to “getting it” without actually getting it?

Comparing it to something else....What (precisely) does it mean to “get MRSA”? How does one go about “getting MRSA”?

For example...”getting cancer” means that some of your cells have become unhealthy and are reproducing out of control.

How do you extrapolate this to COVID-19?


44 posted on 12/09/2020 4:31:48 AM PST by nitzy
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To: nitzy

Because the thread was about covid vaccines “it” is easily understood. Unless you’re an idiot.


45 posted on 12/09/2020 6:08:43 AM PST by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick )
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To: discostu

What does it mean to “get COVID”? Why are you so afraid/unable to simply explain that?

Are you seriously contemplating taking an experimental vaccine for a disease you know so little about that you are unable to effectively define what it means to “get it”?

And I’m the idiot?


46 posted on 12/09/2020 6:27:35 AM PST by nitzy
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To: nitzy

If you need that explained you’re a MORON. Really dude.

Who said I was taking an experimental vaccine? I sure didn’t. You really do have the reading comprehension of a slug.


47 posted on 12/09/2020 6:31:33 AM PST by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick )
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To: discostu

Let me hold your hand and help you out.

Does “getting COVID” mean...???

“having amounts of novel coronavirus DNA snippets in your nose that are measurable after 45 cycles of amplification but with no symptoms”
OR
“having amounts of novel coronavirus DNA snippets in your nose that are measurable after 30 cycles of amplification but with no symptoms”
OR
“having symptoms that could possibly result from the novel coronavirus but without a measurable amount of virus DNA detected in your nose”
OR
“having typical cold symptoms and also having a measurable amount of novel coronavirus DNA detected after 30 (or 45) cycles of amplification”
OR
“having extreme and life threatening cold/flu symptoms and also having a measurable amount of novel coronavirus DNA detected after 30 (or 45) cycles of amplification”

Which of these are definitions of “getting COVID” in your mind and that you also think is likely enough to happen to you that it is a good idea to take a vaccine with several severe KNOWN side effects and an UNKNOWN number of other side effects?


48 posted on 12/09/2020 7:26:26 AM PST by nitzy
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To: nitzy

It means you’re a complete waste of human flesh. Goodbye moron.


49 posted on 12/09/2020 7:27:40 AM PST by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick )
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To: discostu

So, you don’t know.


50 posted on 12/09/2020 7:42:19 AM PST by nitzy
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To: karpov
It is strange to legalize marijuana but severely restrict drugs that could save lives. If people could have *chosen* to take experimental vaccines early on, maybe a pandemic would have been avoided.

Agree 100%. Except for antibiotics, whose overuse can boost resistant strains of bacteria, all medications should be over the counter with appropriate packaging information.

51 posted on 12/09/2020 10:50:24 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Whenifhow; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; ...

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52 posted on 12/10/2020 8:48:42 AM PST by bitt ( Let every child of the Republic LEARN TO LIVE FOR HIS GOD, his land and Union.)
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To: karpov; Fred Nerks

F**K them all. I’ll take ivermectin.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3913936/posts

Don’t miss watching that video.

The vaccine crowd is so dirty they stink clear to the Orion constellation.


53 posted on 12/10/2020 11:45:58 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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