Posted on 10/27/2020 8:44:18 AM PDT by nikos1121
Do masks protect against Chinese coronavirus and reduce its spread — or are they, as their critics maintain, mere empty gesture politics?
A major study which might finally have answered this question has been postponed indefinitely after three of the world’s top three medical journals mysteriously declined to publish it.
Danish newspaper Berlingske reports:
The researchers behind a large and unique Danish study on the effect of wearing a mask are having great difficulty in getting their research results published. One of the participating professors in the study admits that the still secret research result could be perceived as ‘controversial’.
For weeks, the media and researchers around the world have been waiting with increasing impatience for the publication of a large Danish study on the effect – or lack thereof – of wearing a mask in a public space during the corona pandemic.
Now one of the researchers who has been involved in the study has said that the finished research result has been rejected by at least three of the world’s leading medical journals.
These include the Lancet, the New England Journal of Medicine and the American Medical Association’s journal JAMA.
“They all said no,” says the Chief Physician in the Research Department at North Zealand Hospital, Professor Christian Torp-Pedersen.
However, the Professor does not wish to disclose the journals’ reasoning.
One of the study’s co-authors, Henrik Ullum, has tweeted that the authors are all ‘very unhappy’ about the delay of their study.
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If putting a piece of cloth over your face causes any respiratory issues for you, you should seek immediate medical attention because there is something seriously wrong. Even fairly unhealthy people will have no medical problems associated with wearing a simple mask. You’d have to be at the point where you already require nonstop supplemental oxygen before you’d have any issue with a simple piece of cloth being across your face.
If these claims held any water whatsoever, people would have been collapsing and dying left and right across the world where masks have been very common for months. Lo and behold! No bodies lining the streets from mask-collapse!
All three endorsed Obamacare.
Hmmmm....
No, because flu cases outside of flu season (which typically ends in March) drop to single digits over the summer for the entire United States. And that "98%" is misleading as well. The 2019-2020 flu season started earlier than usual. If you compare the 2020-2021 flu season to the previous 5 years, we're seeing normal flu activity for this time of year. Last I checked, 121 confirmed flu cases so far since the end of September, ramping up in the past two weeks as expected.
Maybe it might be nice if these scientists were actually able to publish their scientific findings on their study specifically about masks.
One can only conclude the scientific findings go against conventional wisdom, political ideology, And the government dictates. And governments hate to be shown that they are wrong.
“No bodies lining the streets from mask-collapse!”
No bodies lining the streets from not wearing a mask either!
Three days ago from the link that I posted to, “Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, told CNN’s Erin Burnett, “If people are not wearing masks, well then maybe we should be mandating it.””
Have you read their paper?
One can conclude many things if one has no context. For instance, one could easily conclude that the paper is so poorly constructed that no journal wants to be associated with it. Or that the methodology was so poor that no useful conclusions can be drawn. Or that the claims made are unsubstantiated by the evidence presented.
There are many reasons why papers get rejected from scientific journals. Have you ever tried to publish findings in a journal? There’s an in-depth review process that takes places and often you have to make adjustments in order to meet the standards. Those adjustments are typically more about ensuring that others are able to replicate your results. If you just make claims and provide no way to verify them, it doesn’t matter whether your claims are right or wrong. Science must be verifiable.
That’s not the claim being addressed. The claim is that masks create serious medical issues. If they did, we’d see evidence of that since hundreds of millions of people have been wearing masks for months now. We see no evidence of that. The claims are nonsense.
There are many reasons why papers get rejected from scientific journals. Have you ever tried to publish findings in a journal? There’s an in-depth review process that takes places and often you have to make adjustments in order to meet the standards. Those adjustments are typically more about ensuring that others are able to replicate your results. If you just make claims and provide no way to verify them, it doesn’t matter whether your claims are right or wrong. Science must be verifiable.
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Verified? What, like the laptop from Hell?
Perhaps it is more the results are similarly don’t fit the current narrative and are being assiduously ignored.
This experiment says otherwise.
I'm gonna do my own test with a variety of masks to see for myself. Not that any of the true believers in the hazards of masks will accept it or do their own tests. I'll let you know. :)
Have you read the paper?
My point is this is all pure speculation. If the research is worthwhile, they can simply put the paper up on the web for free and make it freely available to the world. If the research is great, it will speak for itself. The journals do not have some magical stranglehold on information flow. But they do have standards. And they have every right to reject any paper that doesn’t meet their standards.
“And that “98%” is misleading as well.”
Seems like you can’t trust a thing you read these days.
Were there always so many liars amongst us?
“If they did, we’d see evidence of that since hundreds of millions of people have been wearing masks for months now.”
There are other things that the fakenews outlets are not reporting. Perhaps they’re not reporting this.
Yes, but their lies only spreading by word of mouth limited their impact. The Internet enables liars to have more reach than ever before. Sadly, news drifted away from being a loss-leading informer of fact into an entertainment medium where lies are perfectly well accepted.
There’s nothing to report. Doctors and nurses have worn masks for over a century with no ill effect. Masks are worn regularly by painters, construction workers, contractors, architects, dentists, dental hygienists, carpenters, nail salon employees, janitorial staff working with certain cleaning chemicals, laboratory staff, factory workers... Literally dozens of professions for decades or longer.
Yet suddenly now the moment somebody says “oh hey everyone really should wear a mask during this pandemic”, now out of the blue a simple piece of cloth cover the nose and mouth is going to cause everyone’s eyes to pop out of their skulls and their lungs to collapse? It’s absurd.
There is a reason why I keep calling masks ‘training burkhas’. You have stated it.
My inability to come up with any reasonable argument against your position leads me to believe you are right.
I’m sorry to hear that.
I’ve been working from home since March and don’t have to wear a mask much - only when at grocery store, etc.
Last week, we had a special, unusual meeting at work, which I think was a ruse to check on how we were doing because I think one lady killed herself.
Anyway, I tripped over some weird foamy object that was on the floor for some reason and didn’t see it, even though it wasn’t small, because it was close in color to the carpeting and my glasses fogged up.
Fortunately, I just got bruised.
I would like to see that mask test done while he exerts himself. Where I live, you have to wear a mask working out in the gym.
Thanks for the empathy.
Be careful, but this whole mask thing is unreasonable and may worse by the fearful karens. Now if I have to manage stairs I remove my mask.
I cannot afford a stupid mask mandate bankrupt me for wearing it!
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