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The Debate: A Vote for Two Men or a Vote for Two Ideologies—One Will Save America and Keep Her Strong
Townhall.com ^ | October 4, 2020 | Dan Celia

Posted on 10/04/2020 5:33:52 AM PDT by Kaslin

Regardless of who we think won or lost the debate and no matter what the media believes, the upcoming election is going to be about America’s future. Unfortunately, it also needs to be about parties—two very different parties. Anybody voting in this election must consider the parties. Look at one party, the Obamacare party, who watched as President Obama stood at a State of the Union speech and lied to the American people about the average cost for a family for health care and that it was going to go down $2,400 a year; that they'd be able to keep their doctors, and they'd be able to go anywhere they wanted to get care.

Does anyone remember Jonathan Gruber? The MIT economist, the architect of Obamacare, who met hundreds of times with President Obama in the White House, that was exposed because of an open mic, speeches, leaks, and other disclosures that came out in 2014. Gruber talked about the public’s “stupidity.” We came to discover that President Obama intentionally lied to the American people, the “stupid” American people. We came to understand, after Gruber's testimony, that this was the stepping stone to government-controlled medicine, a stepping stone to socialism. The Democratic Party, which admitted that they never read the bill before they voted on it, looking for the demise of Medicaid and Medicare that would be replaced by our new socialist medicine, Obamacare.

How is it possible that all of a sudden everyone forgets about Jonathan Gruber? Our lack of memory could prove to be the cause of America's extinction. American politics has a big problem—politicians are free to lie and say whatever they want to say, knowing that the American people will forget what they have done. Debate moderators of all parties in one way or another, and even candidates themselves, forget about the State of the Union speech where Supreme Court justices shook their heads saying “liar” for the first time ever as the president of the United States flat out lied to the American people.

The Democratic Party has gone so far left that it is truly a Marxist or Socialist, maybe even a Communist Party. This is what the far left desires to create in order to gain more social control—to create an agenda without God, without a moral compass and without absolutes. No one seems to want to write about this, talk about this, or debate this or remember this. We have one party that desires to become leadership in the globalist agenda. Many of us, as Christians, understand what some of this means because we have a unique advantage, we know how this story ends.

We watched a particular party for eight years that stood by while the poverty rate went up every year. People became more and more dependent upon the government. Food stamp usage hit record highs, disability benefits hit record highs, minority unemployment rates hit record highs, labor participation hit record lows, and wages didn't go up for eight years. It was the first time in our nation’s history where we had a president that presided over eight straight years of below 2 percent GDP growth.

Now it seems that history is trying desperately to make an attempt to change that dismal trend. I might add we had a political party and a president that decided to sign a Paris Accord on carbon emissions on a Tuesday, and the following Thursday agreed to export crude oil where it could be refined in countries making a much larger carbon footprint in the world than if it would have had it stayed on our shores. For eight years we had a president who wanted to be president of the world—one who apologized for American exceptionalism and who took our Navy to pre-World War II levels, and our Air Force to World War II levels, while dismantling and disarming our armed forces. All of this should have served as a severe warning about the direction of a political party. How can this now be forgotten?

Yet here we are in a debate of two men without any understanding of the party that wants to destroy America compared to a party that wants to save America. The American people cannot take the events of the Democratic Party of the past 10 years as some sort of one off. This party’s ideology for the past 10 years is not going to change in an instant in a voting booth; it is only going to go further left. This is a party that is hell bent on completing a movement and moving forward with their radical progressive agenda.

This election is about a party that believed that Hillary Clinton was going to be the finisher of their anti-America plan. Now, they have a new finisher if Biden is elected—Democratic Vice Presidential nominee Kamala Harris. Please! We cannot be so naive as to forget the past agenda that will progress to a much worse place. We cannot be a voting public who thinks that the Democratic Party is going to do anything but move what we have already seen to a place of no return.

This election is not about Biden versus Trump. This election is about a Communist Party, whose one mission it is to fundamentally change America and lie about that change, compared to a party that has brought America back through its record of keeping Americans and the American worker and American family safe and strong. The other party is about killing babies and re-defining God’s words to justify their actions, instead of a place where children will live free under the safety of law and order.

Listen, we could lose America as we know it. Maybe we will see God’s plan for an unrepentant people. But we can’t deny the truth that we are God's people, His instruments; we need to fight to vote for what we know is right, for an America that we know was built upon the truth of God.

We need to fight for what is right until God reveals His will. The contrast is vast and the consequences of how we vote will be more consequential than when we declared our independence from a very different type of tyranny. Let’s not forget the failures and foolish quest of the left. Let’s come out in force to save God’s America with a vote for America.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: camelfaceharris; election; god; joebiden

1 posted on 10/04/2020 5:33:52 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

This is why the “debate issues” (questions presented by the moderators) are unnecessary to understand the choices, the choice.

It is top this policy or that. It is the difference in governing principles, the governance principles that is of most supreme importance between the two candidates.

Biden’s governing principles are none. He has never been a leader, not even a Leftist Liberal leader. Whenever he has stood out it has always been after others have raised an issue up and he has held up his finger to see which way the wind was blowing, and then tried to be the champion of the direction that wind pushed him to. And as far as Biden’s principles of good governance, again he will move as far Left as the Left can push him.

Trump we know, with the judiciary, the DOJ, and the very ready but restrained DOD-CIA networks, he will be for keeping the Constitution, the economy, the military and the country strong. That we expect from any President and cannot expect at all from Biden.

That leaves ALL the questions from debate moderators useless and a waste of time. For me at least.


2 posted on 10/04/2020 5:54:52 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Kaslin

- If Biden wins, the muslim brotherhood and CAIR will take up offices in the White House again.
- Our borders will be overrun. We’ll have them signed up for welfare and social security.
- We’ll be flying them in form hostile islamic nations so they can live here on our tax dollars.
- We’ll be back in the middle east with more bloodshed.
- We’ll sign green deals that put more Americans out of work.
- Tax payers will be forced to pay more for abortions.
I could go on and on ....


3 posted on 10/04/2020 6:01:46 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Kaslin

——and keep her strong———

Until the left wingers are exterminated, wied out, destroyed, there can be no hope of keeping america strong.

Left wingers are existential American enemies


4 posted on 10/04/2020 6:08:32 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) t Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay My, oh, my, what a wonderful day)
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To: Kaslin

It’s never about the ideologies. The media always makes the debate about the personalities.

The American media has been severely negligent. It has totally ignored what biden-harris wants to do. It has not said a word about harris at all. It’s all about dumping Trump.


5 posted on 10/04/2020 6:10:29 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Make Trump President Again!)
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To: Kaslin

I watched the cold open for SNL last night, which, btw, was an out and out ad for Kamala Harris to be the next president.

That aside, I think that the Trump team should watch that short skit. It offers some valuable insights. We can see the insane mindset of those who are influencing the left, yes, but we can also get some helpful information for those who are advising the president regarding messaging.

They out and out said that, unless you watch Fox news, you would not understand the points that the president was trying to make. This should be paid attention to, because it is correct. People really dislike Biden and Harris, but those who do not normally pay attention and do not watch Fox News had no reference to understand what the President was saying, as the main stream media and Social Media have a total blackout on those subjects.

I spoke with two different liberals after the debate. One is someone I work with. She is black and is really turned off by Biden/Harris, but also turned off to Trump.
The other was my daughter, a college kid surrounded by insane liberals.

Neither of them understood the context for bringing up Hunter Biden’s illicit activities. Both thought that Trump should not have mentioned Hunter Biden’s drug problems and that the nominees kids should be off limits. Both of them stopped listening at that, completely missing the point of why Trump mentioned the drug problems. I was able to explain the context to my daughter, but my co-worker got worked up and tried to argue with me so we ended the conversation.

I know that this is a base election and that the base understood everything that Trump said, but there are a lot of voters who are really turned off by their own nominee(s) and there is a possibility for some pick ups too, if we play our cards right.


6 posted on 10/04/2020 7:12:52 AM PDT by Saveourcountry
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To: Kaslin

It’s over. When the government can do whatever it wants - your rights be damned - and you need permission to open your business and have a big party society is doomed. The end will simply take longer with Trump.


7 posted on 10/04/2020 7:21:51 AM PDT by wny
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To: Kaslin

A vote for Biden is a vote for disaster. Democrat policies just drag the country down in every way. Say goodbye to your jobs and your civil liberties if Biden gets elected.


8 posted on 10/04/2020 7:25:28 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: Kaslin

Excellent read!


9 posted on 10/04/2020 7:30:05 AM PDT by wjcsux (They are burning buildings and Bibles now, people are next!)
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To: Kaslin

You want to be poor? Vote Biden. You want to be rich? Vote Trump.


10 posted on 10/04/2020 7:41:04 AM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: Kaslin; All

What hasn’t been examined is Biden’s conduct during his term as VP and his reaction when Obama used the Bully Pulpit to create racial division during the Zimmerman trial.

When as a result of Obama’s inflammatory racist comments suggesting a racist murder. Where Obama’s remarks were interpreted by black gangs suggesting retribution for a racial incident went on attacking non blacks innocently entering “hoods” and attacking and sometimes killing them like the Australian from Melbourne; Christopher Lane, here on a college scholarship in Duncan Oklahoma who was murdered while exercising on one of Duncan’s streets.Americans better WISE UP/
Key swamp demons were making fortunes when they allowed US companies in a number of industries including pharma, computer; and electrical as well metal fabrication components even bicycles relocate their factories in China . To the point where China was our sole supplier. The money the CCP has now comes from US .If we play our Chinese checkers right we can really turn things around for the better not only here but in China as well.Check out this recent posting in Free Republic.com which the MSM and social venues will spike; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3890312/posts


11 posted on 10/04/2020 9:10:46 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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