Posted on 10/02/2020 6:20:42 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
President Donald Trump said early Friday that he and first lady Melania Trump have tested positive for the coronavirus, a stunning announcement that plunges the country deeper into uncertainty just a month before the presidential election.
Trump, who has spent much of the year downplaying the threat of a virus that has killed more than 205,000 Americans, said he and Mrs. Trump were quarantining. The White House physician said the president is expected to continue carrying out his duties “without disruption” while recovering.
Still, Trump’s diagnosis was sure to have a destabilizing effect in Washington and around the world, raising questions about how far the virus had spread through the highest levels of the U.S. government. Hours before Trump announced he had contracted the virus, the White House said a top aide who had traveled with him during the week had tested positive.
Trump was last seen by reporters returning to the White House on Thursday evening and did not appear visibly ill. Trump is 74 years old, putting him at higher risk of serious complications from a virus that has infected more than 7 million people nationwide.
Trump’s handling of the pandemic has already been a major flashpoint in his race against Democrat Joe Biden, who spent much of the summer off the campaign trail and at his home in Delaware because of the virus. Biden has since resumed a more active campaign schedule, but with small, socially distanced crowds. He also regularly wears a mask in public, something Trump mocked him for at Tuesday night’s debate.
Trump has consistently played down concerns about being personally vulnerable, even after White House staff and allies were exposed and sickened. Since the coronavirus emerged earlier this year, Trump has refused to abide by basic public health guidelines.
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Just reported from Senator Mcconnel:
“Just finished a great phone call with @POTUS. He’s in good spirits and we talked business — especially how impressed Senators are with the qualifications of Judge Barrett. Full steam ahead with the fair, thorough, timely process that the nominee, the Court, & the country deserve.”
He can still broadcast. He will be broadcasting until cleared.
Thanks for your post. We had better just continue to pray for the Trumps, and our government officials. Even if the symptoms are mild, reputations are scared by all this.
The Trumps should have worn masks in pubic more. It gets ridiculous at a point, but fear has been sown BIG TIME!
Is there a cure for COVID-19 Phobia? I am not sure. The old Charles Mackay quote applies: “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one” IMHO
The probability that Hope Hicks is the likely culprit for infecting the President probability wise is significantly high given the testing and social distancing the President subscribes to.
But the point was to the fact she wore a mask, was positive for the virus and other people contracted the virus. Meaning the mask leads people to a false sense of security and depending on the type of mask worn can either stop the spread or is basically useless. A mask that is determined to “slow” the spread, is still a useless mask as you can still contract the virus from someone wearing a mask. How long has it been said the virus can live on a surface? So if I only infect 3 people out of 10, how do we not know those 3 people will infect 3 more? How do we know those other 7 people are not immunized against COVID for whatever reason? A mask is nothing more than using a colander to stop a leak from your kitchen sink. Sure the water isn’t leaking as fast as it could but it is still leaking all over the kitchen floor and given enough time, the same amount of water will have leaked as if you didn’t have the colander there in the first place. Just like the colander, masks are useless unless they can block the size of the virus. Most of them cannot.
“Chris Wallace is on Fox complaining about the Trumps not wearing there masks as they watched the debates..masks only slow the virus..this will never end now.”
I think the FOX Corporate CEO’s are throwing Chris Wallace onto many shows that he was seldom on before as a way to wipe our faces with him as retribution for Conservatives having inundated FOX with calls, emails, complaints about the totally biased Chris Wallace and his anti-Trump/pro-Biden performance and interference at the debate.
Expect to see Wallace pop up all over the place on FOX from now until election day. I mute him the minute I see his weasel face appear on the screen and when his lips start moving.
People who wear seat belts sometimes still die in auto accidents. But they reduce the risk of death by 45% and they reduce the risk of serious injury by 50%. Should we tell people not to wear seat belts because they don’t reduce the risk of death by 100% and lead to a “false sense of security”?
That would be a disastrous policy.
Your argument is non sequitur because your argument could then apply to many other things that, no matter how small the percentage is, we should be like Chicken Little and the sky is going to fall don upon all of us. Get rid of your forks, especially plastic ones, they are too risky. In 2000, a research report said a 27-year old man died from hypovolemic shock from ingesting 30 francs a piece of a knife and a piece of a fork. So now we have a “false sense of security” every time we put a fork with food into our mouths because clearly the fork did contribute to the death.
Next time you need read the reason behind the false sense of security than to spout out thinking you have a valid argument. And by the way I do know several people where the seat belt or lack of one was the reason their life was saved after being hit by a semi-truck. I also know someone where a seatbelt almost killed him in an accident because the seatbelt sliced into his upper torso causing life-threatening injuries. So if not wearing the seatbelt saved someone’s life, we wear one but what about in the instance where the seatbelt almost killed an individual? Do we not wear one because there would not be a 100% chance that it would save us had we not worn the seatbelt? Actually, seat belts also give a false sense of security in an automobile crash. If you think I am just saying this to be saying this, next time just ask your passenger what would happen to them the next time they snapped that seat belt on.
The way people wear masks, or the type of masks used by the general public do absolutely nothing to stop the spread of COVID. I wear a sports mask. This mask has vents on the side to allow extra airflow into the mask which is covered by an inner breathable fabric (as required by the CDC). I go to the VA hospital and other hospitals around the city. Every single hospital will not allow that mask and hand m an inferior mask. You know the one the blue one with ruffles which will not even stop a COVID particle. You wear a mask that cannot filter out 125 microns or less you might as well be wearing nothing. Neck gaiters are complete joke. Or my favorit, I will just pull my shirt up over my face!
People have a false sense of security because they were told to wear a mask. The thing that is left out is the type of mask needed to be worn. A medical mask is just as useless if it cannot filter anything under 125 microns and that includes those blue masks with the pleats.
Here is another issue, does the mask have gaps on he side or the top or bottom when you wear it? If it does, it is useless/ Why? Do you think a COVID virus will say oh look they are wearing a mask, I have to go through the mask? The COVID virus does not care it will get around the mask through the openings on the side or top or bottom. It will also get around the mask for those males sporting a beard. The mask is useless if it comes through anthor entry point.
Another issue, is that people are constantly touching things and then touching their mask. I wear glasses (because those who wear glasses are smart...lol) and the mask is constantly fogging up my glasses. I am constantly adjusting the mask. So unless you go through gallons and gallons of hand sanitizer (health grade, consumer grade has been shown not to do what you think) after and before you touch anything, the act of touching your mask contaminates it, rendering it useless.
All of those issues significantly drops the chance of not getting COVID. But hey take your chance around an unknowingly asymptomatic person with COVID. And that is what is meant by false sense of security because the general gist of the mask is wear the mask don’t get COVID. But hey, go ahead with the seat belt analogy and I have several people who will tell you otherwise both had a false sense of seat belts too. And they told me exactly that.
Strawman argument; I've never said we should be like Chicken Litten and I have never made the argument that the sky is going go fall down upon us. I'm comparing simple, easy precautions with a very good cost:benefit ratio. A mask worn while shopping in the grocery store costs pennies and reduces risk of transmission significantly. A seat belt costs very little relative to the cost of the vehicle and saves thousands of lives every year.
"Get rid of your forks, especially plastic ones, they are too risky."
Another strawman. I never made any such argument. Nor would I.
"Next time you need read the reason behind the false sense of security than to spout out thinking you have a valid argument."
I base my arguments on evidence and reason.
"I do know several people where the seat belt or lack of one was the reason their life was saved after being hit by a semi-truck. I also know someone where a seatbelt almost killed him in an accident because the seatbelt sliced into his upper torso causing life-threatening injuries. So if not wearing the seatbelt saved someone’s life, we wear one but what about in the instance where the seatbelt almost killed an individual? Do we not wear one because there would not be a 100% chance that it would save us had we not worn the seatbelt? Actually, seat belts also give a false sense of security in an automobile crash. If you think I am just saying this to be saying this, next time just ask your passenger what would happen to them the next time they snapped that seat belt on."
Seat belts have been well studied for decades. They reduce the risk of fatal injury in a vehicle crash by 45% and reduce the risk of serious injury by 50%. That takes into account those extremely rare edge cases where the seat belt did more harm than good. You seem to be trying to make the argument that seat belts are bad for safety. That is demonstrably false based on decades of evidence.
"Every single hospital will not allow that mask and hand m an inferior mask. You know the one the blue one with ruffles which will not even stop a COVID particle."
This merely demonstrates your lack of understanding. The hospitals are right. You are wrong. CDC specifically cautions AGAINST wearing masks with vents. That is because such masks defeat the purpose, which is to reduce the range and volume of the respiratory droplets that enable the transmission of SARS-CoV-2. The masks they're providing accomplish that task. Yours does not.
"Here is another issue, does the mask have gaps on he side or the top or bottom when you wear it? If it does, it is useless/ Why? Do you think a COVID virus will say oh look they are wearing a mask, I have to go through the mask? The COVID virus does not care it will get around the mask through the openings on the side or top or bottom. It will also get around the mask for those males sporting a beard. The mask is useless if it comes through anthor entry point."
Again, totally misunderstanding the purpose and function of masks. They reduce the volume and range of respiratory droplets exhaled from infected persons. Secondarily, they may provide a very small level of protection for a non-infected person, but that is not their primary function nor is it the main benefit provided in the reduction of transmission risk.
"And that is what is meant by false sense of security because the general gist of the mask is wear the mask don’t get COVID. But hey, go ahead with the seat belt analogy and I have several people who will tell you otherwise both had a false sense of seat belts too."
Seat belts reduce the risk of serious injury or death in an automobile accident; they do not eliminate that risk. Masks - worn properly - reduce the risk that an infected individual will infect others. They do not eliminate that risk. Your "gist" is wrong. Along with pretty much every single other claim or statement you've made in your post. Demonstrably wrong, based on evidence collected by experts who spend their careers studying these specific issues.
“I’ve never said we should be like Chicken Litten and I have never made the argument that the sky is going go fall down upon us.”
I call BS right here. Did you not state this:
“That would be a disastrous policy.”
As far as I am concerned you have already lied to me. Nothing you state or say matters after you words “ I never made the argument...” The moment you said this was a disastrous policy, you cried like a little momma’s boy and became Chicken Little.
Go sit down and let the people who know what they are talking about do the real talking. You are just another part of the problem.
Recommending that people not wear seat belts would indeed be a disastrous policy. It would cost thousands of lives every year and offer zero benefit. That’s the definition of disastrous policy.
I haven’t lied to you. I think you know that. You’re trying to deflect from the fact that you’re wrong and provably so. Your ideas are terrible. You are part of the problem.
This merely demonstrates your lack of understanding. The hospitals are right. You are wrong. CDC specifically cautions AGAINST wearing masks with vents. That is because such masks defeat the purpose, which is to reduce the range and volume of the respiratory droplets that enable the transmission of SARS-CoV-2. The masks they’re providing accomplish that task. Yours does not.
My understanding is correct. And the “sports mask” that has two layers of breathable fabric beneath the exhalation vents to allow the intake of more air when running or biking is perfectly acceptable. The part with the vents is if there is no underlayment beneath the vents. So once again you spout off before you know what you are talking about.
You base your arguments on Chicken Little evidence and reasoning. The CDC states not to wear a N95 mask but that is the only mask available that will stop the COVID virus. So Sit down and be quiet for once in your puny little life.
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