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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Your argument is non sequitur because your argument could then apply to many other things that, no matter how small the percentage is, we should be like Chicken Little and the sky is going to fall don upon all of us. Get rid of your forks, especially plastic ones, they are too risky. In 2000, a research report said a 27-year old man died from hypovolemic shock from ingesting 30 francs a piece of a knife and a piece of a fork. So now we have a “false sense of security” every time we put a fork with food into our mouths because clearly the fork did contribute to the death.

Next time you need read the reason behind the false sense of security than to spout out thinking you have a valid argument. And by the way I do know several people where the seat belt or lack of one was the reason their life was saved after being hit by a semi-truck. I also know someone where a seatbelt almost killed him in an accident because the seatbelt sliced into his upper torso causing life-threatening injuries. So if not wearing the seatbelt saved someone’s life, we wear one but what about in the instance where the seatbelt almost killed an individual? Do we not wear one because there would not be a 100% chance that it would save us had we not worn the seatbelt? Actually, seat belts also give a false sense of security in an automobile crash. If you think I am just saying this to be saying this, next time just ask your passenger what would happen to them the next time they snapped that seat belt on.

The way people wear masks, or the type of masks used by the general public do absolutely nothing to stop the spread of COVID. I wear a sports mask. This mask has vents on the side to allow extra airflow into the mask which is covered by an inner breathable fabric (as required by the CDC). I go to the VA hospital and other hospitals around the city. Every single hospital will not allow that mask and hand m an inferior mask. You know the one the blue one with ruffles which will not even stop a COVID particle. You wear a mask that cannot filter out 125 microns or less you might as well be wearing nothing. Neck gaiters are complete joke. Or my favorit, I will just pull my shirt up over my face!

People have a false sense of security because they were told to wear a mask. The thing that is left out is the type of mask needed to be worn. A medical mask is just as useless if it cannot filter anything under 125 microns and that includes those blue masks with the pleats.

Here is another issue, does the mask have gaps on he side or the top or bottom when you wear it? If it does, it is useless/ Why? Do you think a COVID virus will say oh look they are wearing a mask, I have to go through the mask? The COVID virus does not care it will get around the mask through the openings on the side or top or bottom. It will also get around the mask for those males sporting a beard. The mask is useless if it comes through anthor entry point.

Another issue, is that people are constantly touching things and then touching their mask. I wear glasses (because those who wear glasses are smart...lol) and the mask is constantly fogging up my glasses. I am constantly adjusting the mask. So unless you go through gallons and gallons of hand sanitizer (health grade, consumer grade has been shown not to do what you think) after and before you touch anything, the act of touching your mask contaminates it, rendering it useless.

All of those issues significantly drops the chance of not getting COVID. But hey take your chance around an unknowingly asymptomatic person with COVID. And that is what is meant by false sense of security because the general gist of the mask is wear the mask don’t get COVID. But hey, go ahead with the seat belt analogy and I have several people who will tell you otherwise both had a false sense of seat belts too. And they told me exactly that.


48 posted on 10/05/2020 11:40:37 AM PDT by zaxtres
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To: zaxtres
"Your argument is non sequitur because your argument could then apply to many other things that, no matter how small the percentage is, we should be like Chicken Little and the sky is going to fall don upon all of us."

Strawman argument; I've never said we should be like Chicken Litten and I have never made the argument that the sky is going go fall down upon us. I'm comparing simple, easy precautions with a very good cost:benefit ratio. A mask worn while shopping in the grocery store costs pennies and reduces risk of transmission significantly. A seat belt costs very little relative to the cost of the vehicle and saves thousands of lives every year.

"Get rid of your forks, especially plastic ones, they are too risky."

Another strawman. I never made any such argument. Nor would I.

"Next time you need read the reason behind the false sense of security than to spout out thinking you have a valid argument."

I base my arguments on evidence and reason.

"I do know several people where the seat belt or lack of one was the reason their life was saved after being hit by a semi-truck. I also know someone where a seatbelt almost killed him in an accident because the seatbelt sliced into his upper torso causing life-threatening injuries. So if not wearing the seatbelt saved someone’s life, we wear one but what about in the instance where the seatbelt almost killed an individual? Do we not wear one because there would not be a 100% chance that it would save us had we not worn the seatbelt? Actually, seat belts also give a false sense of security in an automobile crash. If you think I am just saying this to be saying this, next time just ask your passenger what would happen to them the next time they snapped that seat belt on."

Seat belts have been well studied for decades. They reduce the risk of fatal injury in a vehicle crash by 45% and reduce the risk of serious injury by 50%. That takes into account those extremely rare edge cases where the seat belt did more harm than good. You seem to be trying to make the argument that seat belts are bad for safety. That is demonstrably false based on decades of evidence.

"Every single hospital will not allow that mask and hand m an inferior mask. You know the one the blue one with ruffles which will not even stop a COVID particle."

This merely demonstrates your lack of understanding. The hospitals are right. You are wrong. CDC specifically cautions AGAINST wearing masks with vents. That is because such masks defeat the purpose, which is to reduce the range and volume of the respiratory droplets that enable the transmission of SARS-CoV-2. The masks they're providing accomplish that task. Yours does not.

"Here is another issue, does the mask have gaps on he side or the top or bottom when you wear it? If it does, it is useless/ Why? Do you think a COVID virus will say oh look they are wearing a mask, I have to go through the mask? The COVID virus does not care it will get around the mask through the openings on the side or top or bottom. It will also get around the mask for those males sporting a beard. The mask is useless if it comes through anthor entry point."

Again, totally misunderstanding the purpose and function of masks. They reduce the volume and range of respiratory droplets exhaled from infected persons. Secondarily, they may provide a very small level of protection for a non-infected person, but that is not their primary function nor is it the main benefit provided in the reduction of transmission risk.

"And that is what is meant by false sense of security because the general gist of the mask is wear the mask don’t get COVID. But hey, go ahead with the seat belt analogy and I have several people who will tell you otherwise both had a false sense of seat belts too."

Seat belts reduce the risk of serious injury or death in an automobile accident; they do not eliminate that risk. Masks - worn properly - reduce the risk that an infected individual will infect others. They do not eliminate that risk. Your "gist" is wrong. Along with pretty much every single other claim or statement you've made in your post. Demonstrably wrong, based on evidence collected by experts who spend their careers studying these specific issues.

49 posted on 10/05/2020 12:05:35 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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