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Debate was a blown opportunity for Trump
Washington Times ^ | September 30, 2020 | Editorial

Posted on 09/30/2020 6:21:08 AM PDT by lasereye

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To: blueunicorn6
I have never made a secret of where I live, quite the contrary I have often commented on the surroundings, and the local politics.

Nevertheless, I am not playing your game now.

Bugger off!


121 posted on 09/30/2020 9:52:39 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: lasereye

First sentence of the article shows their bias and stupidity.


122 posted on 09/30/2020 9:52:51 AM PDT by Fledermaus (ONLY A MORON THINKS 6 FEET IS A MAGIC NUMBER!)
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To: linMcHlp

He’s got a great thesaurus.


123 posted on 09/30/2020 9:53:42 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: linMcHlp
Thank you.

For the record I will tell you because you post in good faith that I live in Bavaria and often visit my children in the states.


124 posted on 09/30/2020 9:55:34 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Four posts to me, and you won’t say where you live.

It’s almost like you are ashamed to say where you live.


125 posted on 09/30/2020 9:58:16 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: nathanbedford

Antonius Schwaige best meal in Ingolstadt!!


126 posted on 09/30/2020 10:05:48 AM PDT by RevelationDavid (Don't just 'know about God'...... KNOW GOD....!)
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To: nathanbedford

[I don’t like to say this, I’m distressed to have to say this, but candor requires me to say that Trump entered the debate with the overwhelming advantage of incumbency As President of the United States Of America and left the debate a brawler who was behind in the Real Clear Average of polls. Biden entered the debate as a demented septuagenarian ahead in the polls and left the debate a viable candidate for president of the United States in possession of his faculties ahead in the Real Clear average of polls.

Trump’s objective was to turn the polls around, I believe he failed to do that tonight. Biden’s objective was to appear presidential rather than demented and to safeguard his lead in the polls, I believe he did that.]


While there’s an outside chance that this is misdirection along the lines of what the Spider said to the Fly, the left-wing commentariat is suggesting that Biden not take part in any more debates. To my way of thinking, that’s a hint that Trump did pretty well.

Your line of thought assumes that people know more than they actually do. In reality, what viewers *knew* from the media is that Trump is a Russian agent, but Congressional Democrats couldn’t find a smoking gun. Now they’ve heard from Trump that Biden took a $3.5m bribe from Russia through his son Hunter. What they *knew* from the media is Biden is a working class, middle of the road guy. Now, thanks to Trump, they know that Biden belongs to the party of arsonists and looters, because he won’t criticize Antifa and no police unions have endorsed him.

Basically, Trump took Biden’s tactic against Ryan in 2012, and flung it back against him. Biden’s victory over Ryan brought the Obama campaign back to life. We’ll see soon enough how this plays out for Trump. But his strategy is fairly sound - keep hammering away at a few basic points, because voters who will decide the election have short attention spans. That’s why they’re independents - ADD.


127 posted on 09/30/2020 10:06:55 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

The history of debates shows that incumbants don’t do well in the first debates, but get better.

Reagan had a real bad night in 1984, in his first debate against Mondale.

And Romney had Obama on the ropes after their first debate.


128 posted on 09/30/2020 10:08:20 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: RevelationDavid
Ingolstadt is a bit off my beat to the north. I live way down south in sight of the Austrian Alps about halfway between Munich and Salzburg.

As it happens I am looking out my window as I dictate this and I see a beautiful blood red full moon with a face appearing over the snowcapped Alps with a lake below.

If I didn't live here I think I would live in Montana.


129 posted on 09/30/2020 10:09:28 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Fox News. With Paul Ryan as a high-up, and the home of one ...Chris Wallace.

And The Blaze, founded by Mr. Rolling his face in Cheetos Glenn Beck, and proudly featuring someone who was an AVID never-Trumper in the first campaign in the run-up to the 2016 election.

I cannot say I am entirely impressed. /dry>

130 posted on 09/30/2020 10:11:57 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: linMcHlp

And the n00b comes down from on high to give a pronouncement.
(rolls eyes)


131 posted on 09/30/2020 10:12:56 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: nathanbedford
Meanwhile on the ground, in the United States:

Joe’s train tour is going really well... 😂😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/0aUI72wmYX— Jewish Deplorable 🇺🇸 (@TrumpJew) September 30, 2020

Trump voters lining the path of the Biden Train. Which train is packed with two people on camera, one of whom appears to be Joe's wife.

132 posted on 09/30/2020 10:18:30 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: nathanbedford

Used to summer occasionally on Lake Constance, not far from Zeppelin University. Friend had a lake house....(she was amazing...lol)


133 posted on 09/30/2020 10:19:43 AM PDT by RevelationDavid (Don't just 'know about God'...... KNOW GOD....!)
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To: Zhang Fei
Assorted Democrats unaffiliated with Biden's campaign might have said they wanted no more debates, but the campaign itself has twice insisted that he will appear for follow-up debates. Therefore, I conclude that the assumption that they believe he lost does not follow, although they may believe that for other reasons.

My judgment of the debate has to do with who moves closer to victory in the election. That means, usually, who succeeds in the debate of accomplishing goals and musts. You quoted my synopsis discussing that above.

Most of my objections comes not from the particulars you point out, for example Trump bringing up the 3.5 million to Hunter Biden, but to the manner in which it was done. I don't think Trump was clear, concise, fact driven and therefore not persuasive in most of his ad hominem attacks against Biden. His good points got lost in the welter of insults and over talking.

That is not to say that Biden doesn't deserve to be riven limb from limb for his corruption, it is to say that it could have been done better and more persuasively.


134 posted on 09/30/2020 10:20:39 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: bert; pburgh01

The only thing that gives me comfort with the thought of a Biden win is, that no matter if Trump wins or loses this time, there *will* be another Democrat president. It’s only a matter of time. And that candidate, if not Biden, will be even further left. So it’s really not necessary to pin all my hopes and dreams on a Trump win. There is no “saving” America anymore (the last assured death blow was the ACA and preexisting conditions mandate and Trump isn’t getting rid of preexisting conditions. Too many sheep have been taught it’s a “right” now).

My main reason for voting for Trump is the exact same as in 2016, to stave off the inevitable. Hopefully making it to retirement with my 401ks intact (Ie all in gold by then) before the economy collapses, and it WILL be collapsing in the next few decades. Because it is inevitable that there will be a hard left Marxist as president one day. It’s just a fact of time. It’s just that simple.

So in that sense I agree with what pburgh wrote. There really isn’t any reason to get all upset and angry about any of this. It’s a fait accompli. (And for the last decade people like Hannity have been saying every 2 and 4 years “this is the most important election in our lifetime”, so I don’t put much stock into bromides like that either.)

These days I prefer to obtain happiness from a relationship with God, He’s the real source of happiness anyway, not any political golden calf Fox or CNN tells us to worship.


135 posted on 09/30/2020 10:21:40 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: RevelationDavid
I'll bet she practiced her English and you did not learn very much German, French, Italian or Romansh. Nevertheless, hands across the sea is always very rewarding.


136 posted on 09/30/2020 10:22:58 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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137 posted on 09/30/2020 10:25:40 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: nathanbedford

[That is not to say that Biden doesn’t deserve to be riven limb from limb for his corruption, it is to say that it could have been done better and more persuasively.]


Given the way Wallace kept rescuing Biden and interrupting Trump? I especially liked the bit where Biden was stalling for time while the handlers whispering in his earpiece tried to dig up a police union that endorsed him. Trump was right - he was debating Wallace and Biden at the same time. And unlike Romney or Ryan, Trump skipped the politesse traditional in such settings and made it clear to the audience that he was debating two adversaries.


138 posted on 09/30/2020 10:28:05 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: grey_whiskers
I hope your unscientific, Internet flash poll is more than a flash in the pan.


139 posted on 09/30/2020 10:29:33 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: Zhang Fei
We in the base understand and share the frustration over moderators' thumbs on the scale. But we should also be wary that we don't be seen to be whining about it.


140 posted on 09/30/2020 10:31:46 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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