Posted on 09/04/2020 5:29:58 AM PDT by marktwain
Kyle Rittenhouse: Are People under the age of 18 Forbidden from Open Carry in WI?
One of the questions involving the Kyle Rittenhouse defensive engagements is if Kyle was forbidden from carrying an AR15 rifle, because he was at that time, four months short of his 18th birthday.
Writing about it, I mentioned Wisconsin statutes 948.60, which forbids the carry of dangerous weapons by people under the age of 18. The law has exceptions and cutouts and definitions which need to be taken into account.
There is an excellent tactical and legal analysis of the two defensive engagements by Kyle Rittenhouse at the ar15.com forum. In that analysis, the author explains Wisconsin does not have a general prohibition on people carrying dangerous weapons if they are under 18, but does prohibit people under 16 from carrying dangerous weapons, again, with exceptions.
The explanation of the law at ar15.com is very good. However, it can profitably be elaborated for those who do not read the law extensively.
Wisconsin Statute 948.60 regulates the possession of a dangerous weapon by persons under 18 years old. In paragraph (2) (a) it states:
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
Paragraph (3) lists exceptions. (3)(c) excludes most people who are under 18, except those in violation of 941.28 or 29.304 and 29.539.
(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304
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Considering his attorneys and their families are getting death threats because of this, we should start using that as a badge of honor.
If you get death threats from communist anarchist losers, you’re doing something right.
Interesting. Also, in an interview, one of the other guys in that group claimed that KR could legally carry because he was supervised by an adult.
Who knows whether that’s true or the group misunderstood the law?
Lots of Lefties are hanging their hats on “he had the gun illegally, so everything that happened as a result was illegal, he’s a murderer!”
Logic and legal analysis such as this are lost on them, unfortunately.
The majority of states (30) have no age limits on who can possess a long gun. Just to put things into perspective. IIRC I bought my first shotgun at about the age of 14. (I had to have mom or dad drive me to shoot or hunt.)
One of the questions involving the Kyle Rittenhouse defensive engagements is if Kyle was forbidden from carrying an AR15 rifle, because he was at that time, four months short of his 18th birthday.
I don’t believe that the Constitution puts an age requirement on the 2nd Amendment. At the time it was written it was common for boys as soon as they were big enough to learn how to shoot. Also, boy younger than 18 have participated in every conflict since this nation was founded (usually by lying about their age).
As a side note, I was taught to shot by the US Army when I was 17 and went into my first combat shortly after I turned 18.
It has only been in recent years that age has become a factor with the 2nd Amendment. As was discussed on another thread up until the 1970 it was common for schools to have gun clubs and in some cases gun ranges on campus.
Kyle got himself a Kenosha Hat Trick.
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IIRC they said the law said a minor could possess a gun (maybe a long gun?) either under supervision of an adult OR having a Hunter Safety course certificate.
Before I could drive (so younger than 16) I had a hunter safety card (MN) and would hunt rabbits and squirrel by myself. There MAY be a stipulation that one needs to be hunting.
Of course the guy that got shot in the arm by Kyle was a felon that was illegally carrying a gun. Just based on that I would call it a wash with regard to who was legally allowed to carry a gun or not.
Or- just keep bringing up the 2nd Amendment. I don’t have my pocket Constitution handy, so others will have to look into it regarding any age restrictions, crossing state borders, etc. that are stipulated in the Amendment.
BTW - I am also of the opinion that even a convicted felon has the right to have a gun once they are released. Of course, knowing that the person can have a gun once he leaves prison would warrant a much longer sentence if I were the judge!
I say find them and eliminate the threat.
I was 11 years old when I got my first 22 cal, tube fed, bolt action rifle. My father was a WWII Infantry vet and taught me the safe and effective handling of fire arms. Too bad that doesn’t happen often enough today.
It’s Wisconsin. These people define ruggedness, patriotism and self determination.
About 15 years ago, I was on a business trip to Madison Wisconsin. The local school board had just the day before forbidden the pledge of allegiance in school class rooms. Parents chased the school board members and threw water balloons filled with lye and drano at them. These people don’t take guff from anyone.
Of course the guy that got shot in the arm by Kyle was a felon that was illegally carrying a gun. Just based on that I would call it a wash with regard to who was legally allowed to carry a gun or not.
If you read the entire article, you will see there is no requirement to be hunting.
The attacker with the pistol, Grosskreutz, did not have a felony conviction, so he may have been carrying the pistol legally. He may or may not have had a Wisconsin concealed carry permit.
I recently led a weeklong summer adventure camp for about 100 boys.
Our riflery skill station had five trained adults who taught each boy how to safely handle a firearm and to shoot.
We also had a sporting clays area. Each boy learned shotgun proficiency.
We also had archery where each boy became proficient in that field.
Then there was tomahawk throwing. That was just for fun.
I had a single-shot .22 as a kid (family hand-me-down). My old man said “If you can't hit it with one shot you shouldn't have a gun.” I don't recall how old I was when I was allowed to shoot it. When I was able to cock it and then lower the hammer with one thumb without setting off the round, then I was ready.
I vividly recall going deer hunting with my Dad and older brother. I had that .22 as I tagged along. (Obviously not to shoot a deer with - just “training”) I held on to the gun as I crawled under a fence - rather than unloading it and handing it to my dad. Dad had me sit by the fence for a few hours while he and my brother hunted. No hard feelings on my part, other than that I had screwed up.
Later on as a teen I still had that single shot and my buddies had their tube-fed semi-autos. Even giving them the first chance at a target, I would be the first to hit it.
While Kyle's tactics may not have been the best (or the group that he was with), he sure knew his way around a firearm. Some say he may have had to clear a jam before he defended himself against the last guy that he shot in the arm. Video isn't clear - but it could be. (He seems to glance at his receiver - and that is at the same time that the pistol-wiedling guy makes his move - perhaps seeing that the rifle is jammed?)
c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304
So what does this mean?
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