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As Colleges Move Classes Online, Families Rebel Against the Cost. Schools face rising demands for tuition rebates, increased aid and leaves of absence as students ask if college is becoming “glorified Skype.”
New York Times ^ | August 15, 2020 | Shawn Hubler

Posted on 08/15/2020 4:50:16 PM PDT by karpov

After Southern California’s soaring coronavirus caseload forced Chapman University this month to abruptly abandon plans to reopen its campus and shift to an autumn of all-remote instruction, the school promised that students would still get a “robust Chapman experience.”

“What about a robust refund?” retorted Christopher Moore, a spring graduate, on Facebook.

A parent chimed in. “We are paying a lot of money for tuition, and our students are not getting what we paid for,” wrote Shannon Carducci, whose youngest child, Ally, is a sophomore at Chapman, in Orange County, where the cost of attendance averages $65,000 a year. Back when they believed Ally would be attending classes in person, her parents leased her a $1,200-a-month apartment. Now, Ms. Carducci said, she plans to ask for a tuition discount.

A rebellion against the high cost of a bachelor’s degree, already brewing around the nation before the coronavirus, has gathered fresh momentum as campuses have strained to operate in the pandemic. Incensed at paying face-to-face prices for education that is increasingly online, students and their parents are demanding tuition rebates, increased financial aid, reduced fees and leaves of absences to compensate for what they feel will be a diminished college experience.

At Rutgers University, more than 30,000 people have signed a petition started in July calling for an elimination of fees and a 20 percent tuition cut. More than 40,000 have signed a plea for the University of North Carolina system to refund housing charges to students in the event of another Covid-19-related campus shutdown. The California State University system’s early decision to go online-only this fall has incited calls for price cuts at campuses from Fullerton to San Jose.

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Likewise, public schools, controlled by teachers unions, are demanding more funding while teaching only remotely a few hours a day.

1 posted on 08/15/2020 4:50:16 PM PDT by karpov
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I wonder how tenure works in bankruptcy?


2 posted on 08/15/2020 4:55:36 PM PDT by dgbrown
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To: karpov
if college is becoming “glorified Skype.”

I wouldn't even say its glorified.

3 posted on 08/15/2020 4:58:22 PM PDT by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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Does a “studies” prof become even more worthless via Skype or does he/she/it/whatever assume a false image of a real human being when viewed on the screen?

Such questions have baffled philosophers for millenia.

(What, you didn’t know the Greeks had an early version of Skype?)


4 posted on 08/15/2020 5:00:37 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: karpov

Some classes work well online, others don’t. One of my kids graduated a couple years ago as an aerospace engineer. Almost all of his last year was online. The school was about 90 minutes away so he could have lived at home except he had a college job in his field. It paid enough to cover both his tuition and room and board so he stayed on campus.

I can’t wait till the college bubble bursts.

Another son of mine spent about $1200 to get his commercial driver license. He just turned 21 and is a professional truck driver. His company just invested in a brand new semi tractor and trailer for him. He earns great money. His best friend is a heavy equipment operator. Again, really good income and solid work.


5 posted on 08/15/2020 5:02:50 PM PDT by cyclotic (The most dangerous people are the ones that feel the most helpless)
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To: karpov

Lowering cost would require lowering wages / layoffs of the real privileged in America = Teachers and Professors. That will be the very last Domino to fall.


6 posted on 08/15/2020 5:03:20 PM PDT by DAC21
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Come on $65,0000 is nothing when you have a future at Starbucks making Caramel Macchiatos.


7 posted on 08/15/2020 5:04:24 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark (There is no one more racist than a white liberal.)
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To: karpov

I’m loving watching this system implode. Pretty soon professors are going to be clamoring to get back in the classroom when faced with pay cuts and layoffs. F them all. Send your kid to a trade school so they can come out with an actual skill.


8 posted on 08/15/2020 5:06:14 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: dgbrown
I wonder how tenure works in bankruptcy?

Perhaps it follows the Soviet model. "You pretend to teach, and they pretend to pay you."

9 posted on 08/15/2020 5:12:35 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: karpov

No one’s forcing anyone to go to this college. Or any other college.


10 posted on 08/15/2020 5:13:31 PM PDT by wny
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I heard the Democrats were going to open a totally free college for Antifa and the Marxist-Black Lives Matter. Homeless will be admitted along with felons, child predators and retired Democrat politicians.

It will be called “Woke Forest University”.


11 posted on 08/15/2020 5:13:44 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Hiden Biden is Outta Time)
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To: cyclotic

Plumbers make great money.


12 posted on 08/15/2020 5:16:35 PM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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Might as well just publish a price list for each degree and just sell them. No need for prof's or classes. Online college is a scam, Masters degrees in 10 months for some MBA's. You can get your high school GED at 16 and have an MBA by the time you turn 18.

They'll have to start calling them college GED's.

13 posted on 08/15/2020 5:19:24 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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Well at least these democrat college pukes have their “safe spaces” in their parent’s basement.


14 posted on 08/15/2020 5:19:47 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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Peak Brick and Mortar Higher Edumacation.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch...


15 posted on 08/15/2020 5:23:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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Who needs all those high priced professors just write a script and get Max Headroom to read it


16 posted on 08/15/2020 5:23:58 PM PDT by butlerweave
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Indeed, tuitions should be cut in half or so.

If you’re in person, presumably you are using the infrastructure there which needs various kinds of maintenance. I seriously doubt 100% of tuition is about professorial costs.

I didn’t even live on campus, and I drove in, using pavement, walked or biked around, went to get meals and vending machines, used the libraries, used bathrooms, threw things out, etc.

All that has to involve cost. I never paid for anything outside first application fee, tuition, and food.

They need a refund.


17 posted on 08/15/2020 5:27:10 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: karpov

The Rent/Lease people will be out of business


18 posted on 08/15/2020 5:27:37 PM PDT by butlerweave
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About half the students in colleges these days are majoring in subjects that are vapid and fundamentally useless.These students generalyy do not have the intellect to study STEM subjects and even the traditional humanities have been watered down to politically correct jibberish. They do not develop socially or intellectually. Most would be better off if they dropped out entirely and were forced to embrace the real world.


19 posted on 08/15/2020 5:27:59 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Da Coyote

“....he/she/it/whatever assume a false image”

Image. Revelation, New Testament.


20 posted on 08/15/2020 5:30:38 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (QE 2020. All Quiet on the Western Front)
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