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To: robowombat

Hope there’s an FR who knows what the Ahamdi’s profess and the differences are takes advantage of this posting and explains what they are here.


28 posted on 07/13/2020 1:06:30 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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To: mosesdapoet

Can’t really help with an explanation but here is some info
that may help. Gives some history of their first arrival.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_in_the_United_States


33 posted on 07/13/2020 1:29:35 PM PDT by deport
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To: mosesdapoet
Ahmadiyya is a tiny offbeat sliver of Islam, sort of like Jehovah's Witnesses compared to the main body of Christianity. It was founded in the late 1800's in British Punjab, but I think their hdq is now in the UK.

Mainstream Muslims go not consider them Muslims, though they do, and they have basically the same scriptures (Quran and the Hadiths), practices and beliefs. I think Pakistan has it in their Constitution that Ahmadis are not to be considered Muslim. They're pretty despised by other Muslims.

One of their main differences with other Muslims is that, though they consider Muhammad to be the last and absolutely superior Prophet, they think the "previous" prophets such as Abraham, Moses and Jesus still have continuing validity, interpreted in a manner subordinate to Muhammad. They see the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospels as interim Scriptures of limited validity, and to some extent the writings of Zoroaster, Buddha and Confucius as temporary local prophets, as I understand it.

They don't believe in using violence to spread Islam.

I remember an incident a couple of years ago where an Ahmadi shopkeeper in London was greeting his Christian customers with "Happy holy day of our Beloved Jesus." He was grabbed by some non-Ahmadi Muslims, dragged out into the street and had his throat slit in broad daylight.

35 posted on 07/13/2020 5:05:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("To see what is in front of oneÂ’s nose needs a constant struggle." - Goerge Orwell)
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To: mosesdapoet

Oh gosh, I forgot to mention: the “holy day” the Ahmadi storekeeper was referring to, was Easter Sunday. Ahmadis don’t believe Christ even died on the Cross, let alone that He rose from the dead, but just greeting Christians in such a cordial way on a Christian Holy Day was enough to get his throat slit by other Muslims.


36 posted on 07/13/2020 7:21:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("To see what is in front of oneÂ’s nose needs a constant struggle." - Goerge Orwell)
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To: mosesdapoet; Mrs. Don-o

To add to what Mrs Don-o wrote

1. They believe in Mirza Golam Ahmad is a messenger of Allah. The muslims reject that

2. They believe Mirza Golam as the Messiah. Muslims believe Jesus the son of Mary as the only Messiah to come (yeah, they have a warped theology)

3. They believe Mirza Golam as the promised Mahdi.

4. They don’t believe Quran to be the final message from Allah, Muslims do.

5. They believe many laws and commandments of Quran and Hadith has been abrogated by the new messenger, i.e, Mirza Golam Ahmad. For example, Jihad against disbelievers.

The term “abrogation” is that LATER revelations supersede the EARLIER revelations.

All the peaceful verses in the Quran are from the Meccan time - when Mo was in Mecca and reliant upon the good graces of the pagans. The Medina verses are about “kill the infidels” and they are later and take precedence


42 posted on 07/14/2020 7:10:50 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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