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To: Borges

I like Candace, and I think she is really cute.
Not sure I agree with her here or what she is really trying to say in 18 minutes.

I know there is a lot of evidence yet to be seen or known, but from what we have seen it’s horrible. The fact they have been charged (and the charge against Chauvin upgraded) suggest there was no cause to restrain him the manner in which they did. Even if he was resisting, even if he was high on PCP, to sit on his chest with a knee in the carotid artery wouldn’t seem to be medically prudent. It is self-evident that this would restrict oxygen intake and flow of blood to the brain.

And worse of all, when they checked and discovered he had no pulse, they not only did not try to revive him - they continued to sit on him for several more minutes!

The fact that Chauvin very likely knew Floyd from working at the same club increases suspicion and leaves open the possibility of an intentional homicide. I’m not saying it was, just that it is possible. This was not an encounter between a random man alleged to commit a crime and a random cop; it was a between a cop and a man that cop worked with at a second job - at a nightclub where the cop moonlit for 17 consecutive years. The possibility of some kind of history or beef between these two men or even a secret that Floyd’s arrest might have implicated Chauvin is out there to be investigated.

I don’t know if that makes him a martyr, or whatever. But from what I have seen what they did was morally reprehensible and seemingly, according to the prosecutors, criminal behavior. Horrible to watch. And the people are right to protest; the people really shouldn’t have to protest to demand decency from the police. It doesn’t matter that he’s served 5 terms in prison. Once he was in their custody they had a legal and moral duty to protect him. They failed.


22 posted on 06/03/2020 5:16:15 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine
I’m not saying it was, just that it is possible. This was not an encounter between a random man alleged to commit a crime and a random cop; it was a between a cop and a man that cop worked with at a second job - at a nightclub where the cop moonlit for 17 consecutive years.

Maybe they were part of a counterfeiting ring.

35 posted on 06/03/2020 5:25:47 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: monkeyshine
"It is self-evident that this would restrict oxygen intake and flow of blood to the brain."

It's self-evident that Floyd's long-term, serious drug use limited his oxygen intake, and the flow of blood to his brain, and probably caused brain damage, along with heart and liver damage. Self-inflicted health problems

62 posted on 06/03/2020 6:24:05 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: monkeyshine; All
I know there is a lot of evidence yet to be seen or known, but from what we have seen it’s horrible. The fact they have been charged (and the charge against Chauvin upgraded) suggest there was no cause to restrain him the manner in which they did. Even if he was resisting, even if he was high on PCP, to sit on his chest with a knee in the carotid artery wouldn’t seem to be medically prudent. It is self-evident that this would restrict oxygen intake and flow of blood to the brain.

Except what you write is circular logic, and assumes things that are clearly in dispute.

The charges seem very likely to be politically motivated, instead of motivated by neutral fact finding. The officers were fired in about eight hours, clearly in violation of policy and legal requirements. Regular order was ignored in order to push the politics and emotional outrage.

We do not know that the blood supply to the brain was disrupted by the knee, or that there was undue pressure on Floyd's neck.

Video can be very misleading. Multiple people have stated that what was shown in the video can be done with light pressure. The restraint applied was, at least initially, done according to department policy.

Floyd may well have died whether the knee was on his neck or not, because of the multiple medical issues and drugs involved. We simply do not know.

We need to stop the electronic lynching. The officers involved should be accorded due process and the rule of law, every bit as much as any lifelong career criminal, such as George Floyd.

73 posted on 06/03/2020 7:08:40 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: monkeyshine

You don’t seem very intelligent. Intelligent people understand that she said the very things you’re saying, yet claim to be in disagreement with her about. Hopefully that’s all it is. There’s evil people out there that twist words to make people look bad. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that’s not what you were doing.


80 posted on 06/03/2020 8:46:47 PM PDT by JimSp
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