Best Kept Secret: George Floyd was using Meth and Fentanyl at time of death

Vanity ^ | 06/02/2020 | Self Vanity

[AnthonySoprano]

I have my TV on, and the Best kept secret seems to be that Floyd was on Meth and Fentanyl at the time of his arrest.

Mr. Floyd was attempting to drive on Meth and Fentanyl.

[DiogenesLamp]

He was still killed by that cop. That’s undeniable.

What did the cop do that caused his death? And don't say "put his knee on his neck." Say something that directly relates to causing a fatality, like "cut off blood supply to the brain."

Something rational, not emotional.

So how did the cop actually kill him?

[Lion Den Dan]

So, we should round up all Meth Y Fentanyl users, and execute them?

Perhaps. Would eliminate recidivism and take them off the welfare rolls.

[DiogenesLamp]

I guess in your world, if the person is on drugs, booze, or isn’t a perfect angel, his life is less worthy than others.

Didn't both Michael Jackson and Prince die from heart attacks caused by Fentanyl?

And you are trying to make us believe taking dangerous drugs while having a serious heart condition has nothing to do with what happened?

[DiogenesLamp]

But nobody trains for kneeling on a handcuffed subject’s neck. This officer chose to do so against the training he received and against the warnings he would have (or at least should have) received about the severe medical issues associated with doing that.

Now wait a minute. I heard on "Good Morning America" that Minneapolis did in fact train officers to do that and approved that method of subduing a potentially dangerous suspect.

Does anyone know which is correct?

[Bryan24]

I never said “He is guilty”, without giving any reasoning. Initially, I gave you 6 reasons why I think he will be convicted. Barring something bizarre out of left field, I think he will be convicted.

The heroin, meth and a possible heart attack will not be a factor if he goes to trial. Two separate autopsies have ruled his death a homicide. Not suicide, not accidental, not natural causes, homicide.

I notice you have yet to answer my questions. It is telling, too.

I’ll leave you with these questions again. You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to. I understand.

Based on the video available and the facts known right now, do you believe Officer Chauvin’s actions are justified?

Based on the video available and the facts nown right now, should Officer Chauvin be found guilty of the Murder III and/or Manslaughter charges?

[DiogenesLamp]

1. The knee to the neck is not an approved subdue technique.

See post 97. You appear to be wrong about this.

[Bryan24]

“Does anyone know which is correct? “

There is a post on page one that purports to show pages from the manual. I have no reason to doubt that it is.

According to the manual, they can use an arm or a leg on the suspects neck if they are actively resisting. Based on they way it read, I surmised that once a suspect stops resisting the officer must cease using that technique.

In my opinion, Chauvin will not be able to justify using his knee on Floyd’s neck. Maybe, for the first 15-30 seconds when they got him on the ground. 30 seconds in, it was clear that Floyd couldn’t not move with them on his back. The knee was no longer necessary.

Justifying it after minute one, two, three, four, five, six, seven and eight will be impossible, in my opinion.

[DiogenesLamp]

The knee was no longer necessary.

No, I don't think it was, but that doesn't mean it was illegal or that it caused his death. When I initially heard of this case, I was convinced an arrogant cop was just showing how badass he was by using a painful technique to subdue a man, and refused to get up simply because the crowd kept demanding he do so.

I was also led to believe this pressure on the man's neck killed him.

Now I do not know. The Autopsy said he died of a heart attack, and if he had died from the pressure of that knee, I would have thought it would have said something along the lines of "compressed artery to the brain" caused his death.

A heart attack could have come simply from the stress of getting arrested.

I am no longer so sure as I was when I first heard the details of his case. I noticed a lot of other people seem quite sure, and seemingly with no more information that I have.

[ScottinVA]

Nearly nine minutes of Chauvin’s knee on his neck cutting off not only blood flow, but normal respiratory oxygen passage.

[ScottinVA]

“Now wait a minute. I heard on “Good Morning America” that Minneapolis did in fact train officers to do that and approved that method of subduing a potentially dangerous suspect”

For a nine-minute duration?

[shelterguy]

“”””””’’The heroin, meth and a possible heart attack will not be a factor if he goes to trial. Two separate autopsies have ruled his death a homicide. Not suicide, not accidental, not natural causes, homicide.”””””””””””””””””””

The heroin overdose,, the heart attack and the meth will be a HUGE factor in the trial.

The medical examiner said the autopsy show no signs of asphyxiation or neck trauma. Then he said maybe it was a factor. Was he wrong the first time or wrong the second time? The medical experts hired by the defense will rip his report to shreds. It’s what they do. The jury can figure out who they believe.

The private guy they used is a proven clown. He hasn’t been a medical examiner since the 1970’s when he was one in New York City for ONE year before getting fired. If you want to believe an “expert” who hasn’t worked in the field for over 40 years go ahead.

NOBODY can determine innocence, guilt, or the degree of guilt at this time. Once the investigation has been completed, months from now, then a person could make a conclusion.

[PCPOET7]

if he was on meth and Fentanyl his background will end up falling apart...wonder what his arrest record looks like.

[rlmorel]

I stand corrected on that, and from the footage one cannot tell what happened in the process of getting him to the ground.

Dan Bongino is the one who said that type of maneuver is not approved (except I would think in a life or death situation for the officer, which in a cuffed subject, didn’t appear to be that)

I will forward this to him to get his take on it if he sees it. I find him to be a reliable reporter on things, so perhaps I misunderstood his explanation.

Thank you for setting me straight on this.

[DiogenesLamp]

Nearly nine minutes of Chauvin’s knee on his neck cutting off not only blood flow, but normal respiratory oxygen passage.

It appears there are two Carotid arteries in the neck. Will cutting off the blood supply from only one of them kill someone? Or are you saying the knee on one side of the neck can cut off blood supply to both of them?

Also, how does the airway get cut off from a knee in the side of the neck? Isn't the airway in front of the neck?

The officer is clearly not kneeling on his windpipe.

[DiogenesLamp]

For a nine-minute duration?

I very much doubt it. I think nine minutes is going too far, but I don't know if doing that to someone will actually kill them.

[DiogenesLamp]

if he was on meth and Fentanyl his background will end up falling apart...wonder what his arrest record looks like.

Apparently a conviction for "Armed Robbery" in Texas. According to what I read, George Floyd posed as a "Water meter reader" to get a woman to open her door, and when she did, he and three other guys rushed into her house and stuck a gun in her ribs. They robbed her, and George Floyd also drove the getaway car.

[Truth Lost]

What racist forced him to take those drugs

[vg0va3]

I guess it is which autopsy you believe. The link is the first one I found. Not to be taken as an endorsement.

"Experts hired by George Floyd's family and the Hennepin County Medical Examiner have concluded his death was a homicide, but they differ on what caused it.

The independent autopsy says Floyd died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" when his neck and back were compressed by Minneapolis police officers during his arrest last week. The pressure cut off blood flow to his brain, that autopsy determined.

But the medical examiner's office, in its report, also released Monday, said that the cause of death is "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." Cardiopulmonary arrest means Floyd's heart failed."

[Bryan24]

State Medical Examiner = “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression” as the cause of death.

The family autopsy = “asphyxiation from sustained pressure was the cause”

Both Medical Examiners ruled it “Homicide”.

Charge: Murder - 3rd Degree - Perpetrating Eminently Dangerous Act and Evincing Depraved Mind
Minnesota Statute: 609.195(a), with reference to: 609.195(a)
Maximum Sentence: 25 YEARS
Offense Level: Felony
Offense Date (on or about): 05/25/2020
Control #(ICR#): 20200338
Charge Description: That on or about May 25, 2020, in Hennepin County, Minnesota, Derek Michael Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.

COUNT II
Charge: Manslaughter - 2nd Degree - Culpable Negligence Creating Unreasonable Risk
Minnesota Statute: 609.205(1), with reference to: 609.205
Maximum Sentence: 10 YEARS AND/OR $20,000
Offense Level: Felony
Offense Date (on or about): 05/25/2020
Control #(ICR#): 20200338
Charge Description: That on or about May 25, 2020, in Hennepin County, Minnesota, Derek Michael Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd by his culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk and taking a chance of causing death or great bodily harm to George Floyd.

[shelterguy]

“””””The updated report states that on May 25, George Floyd experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by a law enforcement officer(s).
The new Medical Examiner’s report also notes other significant conditions such as arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; and recent methamphetamine use.”””””