Posted on 05/29/2020 3:43:09 PM PDT by rxsid
According to the criminal complaint: Police were called after Floyd was suspected of passing a fake $20 at the Cup Foods store. Officers Thomas Lane and J Alexander Kueng approached Floyd, who was sitting in a car with two other people. Lane pointed his gun at Floyd, who placed his hands on the steering wheel. Lane returned his gun to the holster and pulled him out of the car. Floyd initially resisted being handcuffed, but once cuffed was compliant. When they tried to put Floyd in their squad car he stiffened and fell to the ground and said he was claustrophobic.
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"As Lane, Kueng and Chauvin held down Floyd, Lane asked if they should reposition his body.
“Should we roll him on his side?” Lane asked, according to the charges.
“No, staying put where we got him,” Chauvin responded.
“I am worried about excited delirium or whatever,” Lane said.
“That’s why we have him on his stomach,” Chauvin said."
(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...
Or anxiety, or adrenaline?
If they worked at the same place and knew each other even if just in passing this may have been a personal beef. Kinda kills the racial component. It’s always a Hate crime unless a black man kills a liquor store full of white people.
Not taking up for him, but don’t forget that the back seat of most squad cars is a little bit different, like cadged, doors locked, etc.
I am sure some people would feel suffocated.
Not taking up for him, but don’t forget that the back seat of most squad cars is a little bit different, like cadged, doors locked, etc.
I am sure some people would feel suffocated.
These guys may have done nothing wrong by law and/or regulation. We don’t have to agree with it but that may be fact. A jury will ultimately be the one answer.
The one and only time I rode in the back of a squad car, it was smaller than freaking airline seating. My knees were painfully jammed into the caging and I couldn’t turn side ways because there were 3 of us on the bench seat. We were being transported to a motel after a boulder fell out of a cliff and tore the engine out of my mom van, I kid you not.
When it’s not your day to die... you don’t.
Boy....he sure doesn’t know how to put his BADGE ON correctly!!
Was this the FIRST time this guy was ever ARRESTED??? Does he have a RAP SHEET?
uh....it was only him....nt 2 other people.
Table 1: ExDS Prehospital Potential Features and Frequencies with 95% Confidence Intervals
| FEATURE | FREQUENCY % (95% CI) | Pain Tolerance | 100 (83-100) | Tachypnea | 100 (83-100) | Sweating | 95 (75-100) | Agitation | 95 (75-100) | Tactile Hyperthermia | 95 (75-100) | Police Noncompliance | 90 (68-99) | Lack of Tiring | 90 (68-90) | Unusual Strength | 90 (68-90) | Inappropriately Clothed | 70 (45-88) | Mirror/Glass Attraction | 10 |
Law Enforcement
In modern times, a law enforcement officer (LEO) is often present with a person suffering from ExDS because the situation at hand has degenerated to such a degree that someone has deemed it necessary to contact a person of authority to deal with it. LEOs are in the difficult and sometimes impossible position of having to recognize this as a medical emergency, attempting to control an irrational and physically resistive person, and minding the safety of all involved.
Given the irrational and potentially violent, dangerous, and lethal behavior of an ExDS subject, any LEO interaction with a person in this situation risks significant injury or death to either the LEO or the ExDS subject who has a potentially lethal medical syndrome. This already challenging situation has the potential for intense public scrutiny coupled with the expectation of a perfect outcome. Anything less creates a situation of potential public outrage. Unfortunately, this dangerous medical situation makes perfect outcomes difficult in many circumstances.
It is important for LEOs to recognize that ExDS subjects are persons with an acute, potentially lifethreatening medical condition. LEOs must also be aware that remorse, normal fear and understanding of surroundings, and rational thoughts for safety are absent in such subjects.
ExDS subjects are known to be irrational, often violent and relatively impervious to pain. Unfortunately, almost everything taught to LEOs about control of subjects relies on a suspect to either be rational, appropriate, or to comply with painful stimuli. Tools and tactics available to LEOs (such as pepper spray, impact batons, joint lock maneuvers, punches and kicks, and ECD’s, especially when used for pain compliance) that are traditionally effective in controlling resisting subjects, are likely to be less effective on ExDS subjects.
When methods such as pain compliance maneuvers or tools of force fail, the LEO is left with few options. It is not feasible for them to wait for the ExDS subject to calm down, as this may take hours in a potentially medically unstable situation fraught with scene safety concerns.
“The howling mob must be appeased.”
I predict the cop gets off easy and there are more riots when that happens, like a year from now.
I saw somewhere that he has a rap sheet, but I did not save the link.
It was early on and might not have been accurate.
I can’t stand a bully and have zero sympathy for a bully cop, if indeed this one is a bully, but the autopsy puts a different light on this case.
| FEATURE | FREQUENCY % (95% CI) |
| Pain Tolerance | 100 (83-100) |
| Tachypnea | 100 (83-100) |
| Sweating | 95 (75-100) |
| Agitation | 95 (75-100) |
| Tactile Hyperthermia | 95 (75-100) |
| Police Noncompliance | 90 (68-99) |
| Lack of Tiring | 90 (68-90) |
| Unusual Strength | 90 (68-90) |
| Inappropriately Clothed | 70 (45-88) |
| Mirror/Glass Attraction | 10 |
” A jury will ultimately be the one answer.”
A lot of angry people acting on emotions will never except anything but guilty of murder even if they follow all laws and regulations. Even a guilty verdict will not be enough.
Yes, but he is considerably taller than I am, so stuffing him into that little cage with a seat would have been tough even if he was sober and cooperative.
Being intoxicated on whatever it was could also have enhanced his claustrophobia. Not that it matters, he’s passed all his earthly woes now.
New study: Perils and protections in dealing with excited delirium
An officer who confronts a subject in the throes of excited delirium stands nearly a 90 percent chance of ending up on the ground in a struggle.
"Once on the ground, “judicious restraint” should focus on preventing the ongoing use of large muscle groups like the legs, to reduce the adverse physiological effects of continued struggle and minimize the subject’s ability to “generate power” for more resistance. (A number of physical restraint techniques have been developed for controlling ExDS subjects, including one credited to instructor Chris Lawrence that’s cited in Baldwin’s paper. For details, see Force Science News #87 at: www.forcescience.org/fsnews/87.html.)
That link goes to a 404 page. The wayback has it:
If more control is necessary, this officer, kneeling at the subject’s head, can apply pressure through his/her hands to the subject’s shoulders, roughly where the rotator cuffs are (not on the spine). “This tends to be more effective than holding the subject’s head,” Lawrence explains, “because a head hold leaves more possibility for the subject to torque his shoulders, move his upper trunk substantially, and try to get up or buck to a more powerful position.”
This might explain why the 3 officer's pinned him down from head to toe.
George Floyd died Monday from a combination of preexisting health conditions exacerbated by being held down by Minneapolis officers,
not from strangulation or asphyxiation, based on the medical examiner’s initial report.
Preliminary findings from a Tuesday autopsy conducted by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner found “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation,” according to the criminal complaint filed Friday against former officer Derek Michael Chauvin.
“Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease,” said the complaint from the Hennepin County Attorney. “The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
Thanks. I didn’t do my homework.
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