Posted on 05/22/2020 1:33:46 PM PDT by conservative98
You could have a point. We will see how it shakes out when it gets to trial.
No, the morons are those people who take the side of that violent thief over that of a law enforcement officer and other citizens bedeviled by this f***ing thief.
The thief was in the wrong. No one else did anything wrong. Thieves *SHOULD* be accosted in public for their thievery, and if guns are necessary, all the better.
The black guy was without doubt a nut case, nothing but trouble. All the more reason that anyone with any brains whatsoever would leave dealing with him up to the real cops because any one with any sense would understand that a direct encounter would lead to violence.
The guy leading the effort to stop this piece of sh*t was a "real cop." He had 35 Years as a law enforcement officer. He handled it exactly as a "real cop" would have handled it in similar circumstances.
The only difference between him and them is that their Union would have thrown a monkey wrench into any plans of charging an officer involved in a violent criminal's death.
Did the local DA decline to press charges?
Stop. We very much know who is the aggressor. We can see that violent bastard running at the man. The man is holding the shotgun in the "low ready" position, and has no intention of shooting Arbery.
That changes when Arbery comes around the truck at him, and attempts to grab the gun while punching McMichaels in the head.
What we DO know is that Arbery did not confront the McMichaels and in fact did pretty much everything humanly possible to exit the situation.
Again, stop. Your claim is contrary to the observable facts. Arbery could have stopped. He could have sat down. He could have ran back the way he came. He could have ran into the back yards of the houses. He could have done anything except run at the guy with the shotgun.
That one thing he should not have done, is exactly what he did in fact do.
If Travis McMichael approached Arbery at the front of the truck pointing his shotgun and/or threatening Arbery, then Arbery had a right to self defense and he died trying to defend his life from a man he believed was about to kill him.
If this theory were correct, Travis McMichael would have blown Arbery in two on the first shot. The very fact that Arbery was shot in the hand indicates Arbery was at that time reaching for the gun.
There is no defense against a man with a shotgun. If he means for you to be dead, you are dead. You can't "defend" your life if you are up against a shotgun. You can only die.
The next time we see either of them, there’s already a fight underway. Since we can’t see what took place right before the fight began, you’re just guessing what happened at the front of the truck just as much as anyone else.
No i'm not "guessing." I am pointing out the obvious fact that a shotgun is instantly lethal if aimed at someone's center of mass. This is where someone aims if they are pointing it at him.
Clearly Travis was not pointing it at him, or he would have killed him with the first shot. Instead we know he was shot in the hand, which is consistent with him reaching for the gun. To think that Travis "aimed" it at Arbery, is contradicted by the fact that he was hit in the hand and so this tells us that the gun was clearly not "aimed."
And if you’re comfortable letting potential killers walk free
Because they generally make a point to kill people? Seriously? They were just living their lives in their neighborhood when this guy comes into their life and f***s with them. Travis McMichael killed Arbery because he had no other choice. It was kill or be killed. I very much doubt he is a threat to anyone else.
then the US criminal justice system probably isn’t your cup of tea.
Ever hear of the "innocence project"? It's a liberal organization, but they have done good work in getting convicted criminals released by proving they did not actually commit the crime. There have been so many people freed from DNA testing that it is a testament to how often and how badly the "US criminal justice system" fails.
I've also seen it up close and personal a few times myself, and had knowledge about the cases which the courts would not let the jury hear. And you know what?
They got it wrong. Ever. Single. Time.
Courts are a crap shoot. If they do come up with a correct verdict, it's a roll of the dice.
So no, I don't have a lot of confidence in the system. It's a Rube Goldberg device, and it functions like one too.
I don’t know how it went down. That is why I am looking at the details.
“Stealing from us.... “ I’ve seen very few comments on this. Travis McMichael had a pistol stolen from his truck a few months earlier. I have seen NOTHING that indicates they knew who stole the pistol.
The guy who owned the construction house said he had nothing stolen.
So how did McMichael come to the conclusion that Arbery was a burglar? A trespasser is not a burglar. Did he assume Arbery was the one who stole the pistol? Did he make a leap. 2+2=5.
It DOES NOT MEAN that Bryan assisted in that murder. It means that Bryan was committing a felony (the charge in this case is that at some point he tried to use his vehicle to stop or cut Arbery off) and, shortly thereafter, someone (Arbery) was killed.
The GBI has told us that the specific felony committed by Bryan is "false imprisonment."
But I don't like people screwing up the legal system. This is a political trial, not a process based on law. This is little different from an "opinion poll" indictment, and it is contrary to civil society to indulge in accusing someone of a crime to satisfy members of the public.
Correction: The GBI has told us that the specific felony committed by Bryan is “ATTEMPTED false imprisonment.”
That's bullsh*t. He reported theft of $2,400.00 in fishing equipment. He installed the camera system because of ongoing theft issues. He complained to police, and a detective gave him the name of Gregory McMichael and told him to call him if anything happened because he was a law enforcement officer that lived in the neighborhood. A freeper posted a copy of the instagram message last week.
The owner is just trying to keep from getting dragged into this clusterf***. So far as i'm concerned, they have just as much reason to arrest the owner as they did the video guy.
And the theft of the gun wasn't a "few months earlier", it was like a couple of weeks earlier. It was in January.
They are full of sh*t and they know it. I hope they get personally held accountable for this abuse of power when this crapfest is over. Stooges of dictatorship need to suffer a personal price for their enabling persecution of political enemies.
I expect Roddie's attorney to move for summary dismissal.
regardless of how this case ends, all three of the defendant's lives are ruined.And that probably applies to those close to them. Their names and former reputations forever tarnished.
As for the victim, There are those that said that he is a career criminal. I would not dispute that. And if left to his own devices, would have ended up in a Georgia State Prison. That is no longer the case. The media, the politicians, the race baiters, the race pimps, and the professional agitators will now deify him. Streets will be named in his honor. Laws will be named after him. Buildings will be named for him. When all that needed to be done was let him go his way and he would have self destructed.
But would he have taken innocents with him? It happens all too often.
Too many of us turn from the hard choices. We all want to "let this cup pass before us." I would not have done what the McMicheals did. I would have followed him as far as I thought was reasonable, and that is it.
This business of taking guns to deal with a problem that really isn't worth someone's life is not a good idea. Neither Arbery nor the stuff he may or may not have stolen, is worth the trouble it would cause to confront him.
The only exception to this is the peace of mind a person might get from knowing a prowler has been captured and will not be coming to your home at night.
On this one we agree on more than we disagree. And from this point forward, it nay not be all politics but it will be 98% politics. And the only winners will be the lawyers.
If I remember, there was also a report from some LEO that seriously called into question Arbery’s mental judgment. In other words, not only was he a common street thug, but he was mentally challenged as well.
The narrative all this time is they took guns to go after an unarmed man.
But, how were they to KNOW he was unarmed? How could they be SURE he wouldn't respond to a request to stop and wait for police, by pulling a concealed weapon and trying to kill them both?
1st time I have seen that report on the fishing stuff. I have read two different articles where he said nothing had been stolen from the house.
I thought it was 2 months earlier. Weeks? 2? 4? 6? It was recent, no argument there.
Again, I have yet to see a video where Arbery took anything. I’m not calling him a saint. I’m wondering why McMichael was convinced he was the burglar and thought he was armed.
Yes indeed.
Or like “recording while herding into the chute” or maybe “recording while boxing-into the trap”.
Welcome Noob. I notice you signed up here shortly after the Arbery video was released. I guess we can look forward now to a never ending series of long posts from you related to the Arbery case until the charged are forced to go to trial and ultimately NOT FOUND GUILTY.
“Or like “recording while herding into the chute” or maybe “recording while boxing-into the trap”.”
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The irony that’s gonna land them in the pen is that it was Daddy Dummy who had the bright idea to share the video of the killing with the world. His idiot daughter thought it would be cool to get some snapshots of the dead body for Instagram,
With absolute morally-challenged morons such as this it’s just odd his buddies hadn’t already managed to implicate him before in their escapades. Their stupidity just finally caught up with them all. But - the more the merrier when you’re being sent up the river, I guess.
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