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Firm Can Cut Into Titanic to Recover Telegraph, Judge Says
NY Times ^ | 05-20-2020 | Neil Vigdor and Sandra E. Garcia

Posted on 05/20/2020 8:13:02 AM PDT by NRx

An underwater salvage company was granted approval this week to cut into the wreckage of the Titanic to try to recover a Marconi telegraph, rekindling a complex debate over access to the ship and maritime law.

The company, R.M.S. Titanic, persuaded a federal judge on Monday to allow it to conduct a salvage operation this summer in the wreckage of the ship, which sank during its maiden voyage across the Atlantic in 1912 after hitting an iceberg. More than 1,500 of the ship’s passengers died, and about 700 survived.

The ruling, by Judge Rebecca Beach Smith of the U.S. District Court in Norfolk, Va., made changes to a 2000 court order that prohibited the company from cutting into the ship’s hull to search for diamonds.

The company sought to loosen the restrictions so it could recover the Titanic’s telegraph machine, which it contends could be lost forever because of the degradation of the ship. The radio transmitter could unlock some of the secrets about a missed warning message and distress calls sent from the ship, said the company, which obtained the salvage rights to the wreckage in the 1980s. The site is about 370 miles off the coast of Newfoundland.

“The Marconi device has significant historical, educational, scientific and cultural value as the device used to make distress calls while the Titanic was sinking,” Judge Smith wrote in her ruling. The company will be permitted to “minimally to cut into the wreck” so it can reach the telegraph room, Judge Smith wrote.

David Concannon, a lawyer for R.M.S. Titanic, said in an interview on Tuesday that the company would try to avoid cutting into the ship and that the ship’s telegraph room could be reached through a skylight that was already open.

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To: IronJack

“If there’s anything left of that Marconi set but a pile of rusticles,”

No rust at that depth. I guess you have missed all the artifacts recovered after more than 80 years underwater in almost perfect condition.


101 posted on 05/20/2020 9:42:36 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

Gold watch?


102 posted on 05/20/2020 9:44:48 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: MayflowerMadam

“That’s what I was wondering. If it’s theirs legally, get the Marconi — and the diamonds, too.”

Complicated set of International agreements amid a bankruptcy agreement.


103 posted on 05/20/2020 9:45:07 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: ScottinVA

That search was for the Heart of the Ocean...

Rose had it all the time...


104 posted on 05/20/2020 9:45:19 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: NRx

The Firm?! Are they gonna sing Radio Active while they do it?


105 posted on 05/20/2020 9:45:36 AM PDT by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: NRx

I thought the Titanic wreck site had been declared a world heritage site? If so, isn’t covered under U.N. conventions? I’m sure the jurisdictional issues will be battled in court for years.


106 posted on 05/20/2020 9:45:55 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

The Cape Race station had all the records...


107 posted on 05/20/2020 9:47:39 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: null and void

“It’s also a grave.”

But it’s not a war grave and only sunken warships with dead aboard are protected from salvage.

This is why the German ships at Scapa Flow can be salvaged and the Bismarck cannot.


108 posted on 05/20/2020 9:48:09 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: DoodleDawg

“Gold watch?”

No.


109 posted on 05/20/2020 9:48:28 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: wally_bert

Brewster’s last words, overheard by Bigalow, were: “Southby . . . Thank God for Southby.”


110 posted on 05/20/2020 9:56:01 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: DoodleDawg
See the source image
111 posted on 05/20/2020 9:56:17 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’m not familiar with that particular model but old comm devices used to use wax cylinders or paper tapes to record communications for later review. Realistically any paper is long since dissolved.

There’s some things they may determine but they’re likely to ruin it by removing it too.


112 posted on 05/20/2020 10:00:22 AM PDT by Bogey78O (So far so good.)
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To: Trueblackman
As a Sailor, I am totally opposed to this kind of grave robbing! Sunken Ships with a death counts are graves and it’s totally disrespectful to the victims.

Well, I'm not a sailor and I totally agree with you!   The telecommunications technician in me says the Marconi device could never answer any questions regarding the messages sent or not sent in the hours of the ship sinking.   This is just a foot in the door to make other desecrations.

113 posted on 05/20/2020 10:02:52 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: CommerceComet

“I thought the Titanic wreck site had been declared a world heritage site? “

I don’t believe it is a world heritage site but it is receiving certain protections from UNESCO per international agreements.


114 posted on 05/20/2020 10:05:06 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: higgmeister

Better explanation: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-telegraph-distress-calls-salvage-judge-ruling/


115 posted on 05/20/2020 10:09:30 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Fresh Wind

The money they’d make off salvaging the surviving metals wouldn’t even pay the power bill.


116 posted on 05/20/2020 10:18:48 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Sounds like a tomb to me.
The Titanic — billed as an unsinkable ship — hit an iceberg and sank on April 15, 1912. Over 1,500 people died in the maritime disaster, while 705 individuals survived. A number of the victims and survivors were famous people.Apr 10, 2020

117 posted on 05/20/2020 10:18:57 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: TexasGator

I guess you must have missed all the articles about the Titanic’s hull being draped in what salvagers have termed “rusticles,” which are huge “drippings” of rust that run down the sides of the wreck.


118 posted on 05/20/2020 10:22:40 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: NRx

I was once lucky enough to actually touch the Titanic after being being under 2.5 miles of water for over 70 years.
Got a chunk of coal too... :)


119 posted on 05/20/2020 10:27:20 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: Trueblackman

Nonsense.There is nothing sacred about a dead body.

Its DEAD Jim.


120 posted on 05/20/2020 10:29:57 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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