Posted on 05/18/2020 4:25:44 PM PDT by Hojczyk
Sharyl: Camps largely divided along political lines. Many right-leaning media figures sided with hydroxychloroquine while the left-leaning press backed remdesivir. Each accusing the other of ignoring real science.
Dr. William O’Neill: I've never seen science politicized in 40 years of practice.
Sharyl: Cardiologist Dr. William O’Neill is a medical director at the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit, Michigan where they’re studying both remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine.
Some people in the media are treating hydroxychloroquine as if it's something that's being pitched by charlatans, it's dangerous, and that's been debunked and discredited. What do you make of that?
Dr. O’Neill: I think that's very harmful. President Trump touted it early and so then the media set out to disprove and discredit it without any regard for science. I think those of us that are actually involved in the scientific endeavor feel that there is some value to it and it has to be tested.
Sharyl: Dr. O’Neill says he’s prescribed hydroxychloroquine to help numerous coronavirus patients and saw improvement in all of them. He’s less impressed, so far, by remdesivir.
Dr. O’Neill: There's a lot of hype for the drug. I saw the original new England Journal article study and I saw the Lancet study and to me it's just like a big Ho Hum. I just don't see a big benefit to it.
Sharyl: Adding to the drama and confusion, a draft version of a study was accidentally published last month showing remdesivir did not help most coronavirus patients and caused such serious side effects, 18 test subjects were taken off the drug. Gilead, the maker of remdesivir, did not respond to our interview requests but has said it ended the study because it couldn’t find enough volunteers to take part.
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I suspect a miss-transcript or miss-spoke.
I think he meant: I’ve never seen science so politicized
very well said
risks of short term use extremely small after ten years still very small depending on heart problems
Ventricular Arrhythmia Risk Due to Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin Treatment For COVID-19
Mar 29, 2020Cardiology Magazine
Science has been badly politicized with global warming and then climate change. Same bad science for many of the same reasons - horrible models and motives beyond the scientific method.
“Conventional wisdom” is often wrong. It is the domain of the intellectually lazy who seek safety in numbers and abhor questions or critical thinking.
P.S. - to be very clear so everyone remembers this - the treatment that has been successful is HCQ, zinc sulfate, and a Z-pak for good measure.
HCQ minus the zinc has NOT been nearly as effective. I think based on what I have read and heard from doctors who have been using this that the HCQ and zinc sulfate are the critical components.
Z-pak in general can help you fight other infections you may have that can overcome your weakened immune system, but it is NOT the essential treatment for covid-19.
Thank you!
I love to make people laugh.
Interesting that she included Dr. Stephen Hatfill . . .
I saw on FOX today that they are donating Remdesivir to hospitals.
How good is it when they are giving it away for free?
The Steven Hatfill who picked up underage girls at McDonald’s and had his computer full of kiddie porn?
Great post!
God bless your mom.
She has a fierce advocate in you!
You got it!
This was sent to me today by a buddy.
I am not sure of its origin.
May 9, 2020
Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis)
It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error.
According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed.
Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists have shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected.
However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic.
The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot. The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right!
This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy:
“Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.”
In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases.
In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well.
If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in-home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information.
In a nutshell, the disease is determined by disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error.
Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs.
According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. “If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.”
“It is venous micro thrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.”
According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism.
Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used.
Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced.
He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly.
The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyper reaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed.
In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory.
With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time.
Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later.
I think they should use both protocols together to see what happens. I might just be that using Hydroxy and the R-vir drug together is the magic they are looking for. Each may have strengths that counterbalance each others weaknesses!
So instead of fighting over it...use both protocols together!
Because the disease is taking its own sweet time revealing itself, it's hard to interpret studies that enrolled in March and early April.
It's my opinion now that the window for antiviral therapy is pretty narrow and closes rapidly, the deaths are not due to active viral infection but to the consequences (hypercoagulable state, vascular damage, and cytokine overproduction).
That's by way of saying that antivirals given after the window has closed will do nothing, and studies that include both kinds of patients will yield confusing results.
And, if the triggers for the fatal events are antigen-antibody complexes, the vaccine may prove to be harmful - or not.
Lots of miles to go.
I make of that that they don't care if people die. But I already knew that.
I simply made a “what do you call those things where you type 3 letters and it expands it to” Hydroxychloroquine
(you can also always copy it from the title of the thread which shows up underneath the reply box ( : >)
elengr wrote:
“Don’t leave out the zinc. I wonder if Sharyl Attkisson made it clear that hydroxychloroquine requires high levels of zinc in the body to be effective (some people may have naturally high levels of zinc).
Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc and Azithromycin (or doxycycline). Review all cardio history with Dr. and get it started within as few days as possible of symptoms/test confirmation.
Wanted to make sure you have seen this.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-13/coworkers-save-coronavirus-doctor
Actemra (tocilizumab) is in our treatment scheme, but we haven’t had the occasion to use it yet.
FWIW, the response of our first remdesivir patient was textbook. Wish they were all like that.
Early on I thought Remdesivir was going to be the go-to med.
I do hear of it being used all over, but it isn’t talked
about like Hydroxychloroquine is.
Glad your case went well. Nice...
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