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We Are Approaching COVID-19 Gut-check Time
Townhall.com ^ | April 16, 2020 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/16/2020 4:39:36 AM PDT by Kaslin

We are a few days away from a rendezvous with some tough conclusions about COVID-19.

A number of concurrent developments are coming to a head. Most will bring light where so far there was only heat.

Greater information about the virus might cause as much acrimony as conciliation. Some experts will be discredited, others reaffirmed.

Antibody testing is expected to get under way shortly. Soon, several representative studies will give the country an accurate idea of how many Americans have been infected in the past few months.

With a more trustworthy denominator to compare against known deaths, we will finally learn just how lethal the virus is and whether comparisons to a severe annual flu are legitimate or still inapplicable.

Likewise, there will be greater precision in distinguishing those whose deaths were exclusively virus-related from those who were afflicted by serious chronic illnesses along with the virus. That will also help provide better data about the actual toxicity of the virus.

Those with antibodies will likely be able to return to work with little risk. Arguments will arise over whether their status should be cataloged and banked, or whether such classification would institutionalize creepy two-tier categories of citizenship.

The prior pessimism of most epidemic models will either be confirmed or refuted, depending on the percentages of Americans who have already weathered the virus.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banfearpers; coronavirus; jobsandeconomy
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To: Mom MD

Yay!


21 posted on 04/16/2020 6:40:19 AM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: Mom MD
Just DATA. Not models, theories, guesses or projections.

Do you have a problem with the DATA, mom? (Given that nobody, including the graphologist, believes the "official" Chinese or Iranian numbers.)


22 posted on 04/16/2020 6:41:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: All
Chinese researcher escorted from infectious disease lab amid RCMP investigation LINK

Why was a Chinese scientist stripped of security clearance?

Harvard professor among three charged with lying about Chinese government ties LINK

What were the professor's ties to Wuhan lab?

Expert: Chinese Scientists Sell Lab Animals as Meat on the Black Market LINK

Selling a lie? The outbreak caused by bat soup?

Steven Mosher: ‘Most Likely Explanation’ for Coronavirus Is Wuhan Bioweapons Lab LINK

Meaning it was created in a lab and weaponized. Why?

Stock Markets Retreat As Nervous Investors Pocket Week's Gains LINK

Follow the money, who's waiting in the wings to profit (As early as January 26th)?

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Commits $10 Million to Global Response to 2019-nCOV LINK

Bill Gates Predicted Coronavirus-Like Outbreak in 2019 Netflix Documentary LINK

There has been theories that the Wuhan Bio-lab was funded by George Soros

Jeremy Corbyn's brother Piers claims Bill Gates and George Soros are behind coronavirus in bid to cull world's population with poisoned antidote in bizarre conspiracy theory LINK

Could that be disinfo to cover the real reasons? Just a motive of tanking global economies and install global governance, or simply to take down a president and return to "business as usual" with DUmocrat puppets? A 2015 documentary from Italia RAI (Italian national public broadcaster) covers a Chinese Lab that's engineering of a new virus combining Coronavirus from bats with SARS LINK

The Lab Experiment of BAT WOMAN LINK

Did she get a case of ARKANCIDE?

The DELIVERY SYSTEM LINK

DEEP STATE strikes back?

Fauci: There will be a surprise outbreak (2017) LINK

Who will PROFIT from chaos?

Bill Gates calls for nationwide social isolation policy to slow virus LINK

So, Bill Gates and George Soros both tag-team to fund a Wuhan bat virus study while combining it to infect humans, then create an "antidote" to sell to solve the problem that they themselves created.

Bill Gates Calls For National Tracking System For Coronavirus During Reddit AMA

Bill Gates has got a secret!LINK

Bill Gates Calls For National Tracking System For Coronavirus During Reddit AMA LINK

Bill Gates: Coronavirus Means We Need ‘Digital Certificates’ To Prove Who Received Vaccine LINK

Can I offer you a new tattoo?

Bill Gates, MIT Develop New ‘Tattoo ID’ to Check For Vaccinations LINK

The DELIVERY SYSTEM

LINK

The Laptop

LINK

The Lugi

LINK

The ELEVATOR

LINK

Door Handles

LINK

Chinese Checkers

LINK

Air Mail

LINK

“No more for Americans!”

LINK

23 posted on 04/16/2020 6:41:45 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Mom MD

Do you disagree with the DATA in the numbers above?

What is the source of your different DATA, mom?


24 posted on 04/16/2020 6:41:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Madam Theophilus

Stupid people are almost always stronger.

Think of it as devolution in action.


25 posted on 04/16/2020 6:49:56 AM PDT by cgbg (Pattern recognition is the first sign of intelligence.)
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To: Travis McGee

As is the case for patients who have had significant critical illness. Nice to see you have crawled out of your hole to spread fear and doom.
I classify you as Fearper DHB-HW subclass.


26 posted on 04/16/2020 6:53:49 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: Travis McGee

No. People who peddle apocalyptic bulls**** to further impinge our freedoms are rapidly becoming worthy of disdain. Sign over your freedoms fine. Don’t sign ours over. As it becomes more and more apparent that this is the most overblown heist in world history of individual freedom what do you expect. You are with them.

You told us bodies would be stacked up in the streets. You told us over two million would die. You and your brethren have been wrong on every point and continue to demand our acquiescence in handing over our freedoms.

You are unpatriotic.


27 posted on 04/16/2020 6:57:40 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: Travis McGee

Oh goodie. More spaghetti charts


28 posted on 04/16/2020 6:59:49 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: cgbg

Perhaps in the short term stupidity, banality do appear to triumph because they aid evil. However, I prefer the theology of the cross philosophy to explain the ultimate outcome:

“... the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.” I Corinthians 1:25

Jesus’ death on the cross - God’s weakness - enables his people to show His love and forgiveness to the world; which ultimately overcomes its suffering and death.

As Jesus claims:

“In the world you will have tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.”


29 posted on 04/16/2020 7:09:07 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus (iI)
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To: Kaslin

https://twitter.com/RefugeeWatcher/status/1250735320703946752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthedonald.win%2Fnew

While you have been incarcerated in your homes, the federal government has flown in over 1000 special refugees from Afghanistan and distributed them around the US in a 4 week period from mid March to mid April.

https://t.co/oJy57B9tNv?amp=1


30 posted on 04/16/2020 7:13:33 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Daniel Ramsey

And a lot of people probably won’t have functioning kidneys or T-cells.


31 posted on 04/16/2020 7:15:23 AM PDT by riri (If people still dropping, most aint shopping.)
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To: Travis McGee

Interesting video. The man makes a pretty food case for there being two strains of this virus. And he would not be the first to hint strongly at this.


32 posted on 04/16/2020 7:29:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: CincyRichieRich

With a bit of medical background, the video has several data points worth noting.


33 posted on 04/16/2020 7:31:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The damage to kidneys, heart, liver and intestines is not a function of the intubation and ventilator pressure as much as it is a factor of ACE2 receptors in various tissues, since the virus attaches and destroys via ACE2 receptors (and another site on T Lymphocytes).

The viral load in some builds very quickly, while in others is a slower build up. The HCQ and Zinc treatment if begun early in the disease seems to drastically reduce the viral load while reducing airways inflammation. It may also alter the pH jusdt enough to inhibit virus attachment phase.

If immunity is the goal, release HCQ to be written by any physian or physician's assistant, along with Zinc supplementation, so any symptoms show treat early and aggressively. Then the population forms immunity without destroying the economy and the nation. Waiting for the gatesian vaccine and data dots is not the way to have a future America.

34 posted on 04/16/2020 7:39:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Travis McGee
As a Physician and therefore a scientist, the Lady is not flummoxed by data or graphs. Why don't you try giving a summary of the data from the video and perhaps offer your opinions with much less fear mongering and more applied thought to the implications of the mixed data you keep touting?
35 posted on 04/16/2020 7:47:20 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Fury

Confused.

WHAT survives? Fragments? Intact, infectious virus? How? At what level of virus present?

There is recent information that it isn’t even necessary to wipe down all packages entering the home and definitely not fresh produce.

This is a question of persistence versus contagion.

I have long suspected that the reason for early advice was a combination of insufficient information (perhaps purposeful) and a cynical decision to exacerbate the OCD tendencies of a portion of the populace.

We use alcohol to disinfect oral thermometers & shopping cart handles, yet are told the lipid capsule of COVID 19 will not be disrupted by cleaning surfaces with alcohol. That’s one confusing example, off the top of my head.

A portion of the populace is spooked to the point of masking, gloving and distancing outdoors in the sun with a 10 mph wind. I have observed this.

Our county, BTW, is the only one in our area of the state with no confirmed cases, yet we know people who have had *something* that meets the parameters of COVID 19.

People out here just don’t go to the doctor or hospital. One local MD admits he thinks he’s seen multiple cases from January within a distinct subgroup of our largest little town.

I have more concern, personally, for the political & economic situation. I’ve read Bracken’s “Enemies” series and
found it believable.

Maybe I’m in denial.


36 posted on 04/16/2020 7:50:52 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: RasterMaster

IF lab workers were selling lab animals at the market, those who purchased and prepared the animals for cooking were exposed to whatever the labs were ‘cooking’. Think about it ...


37 posted on 04/16/2020 7:51:09 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

...none of them have it, how curious.
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They could have it or have a mild case and no one would know if the media didn’t report it.

How effective is the present flu shot? It is not a vaccine and vaccines do not seem effective for mutable influenza virus.

I’ve also read that mutations have already been observed and they are of decreased strength. This is the normal course for influenza virus.

More likely they are taking the HCQ/zinc/Zpak stack.


38 posted on 04/16/2020 7:55:02 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: MHGinTN

I thought it was that in the beginning until one of the Chinese officials made the comment that the virus must have come from the US because we “responded too quickly”. Who says that unless there was an expected result that didn’t materialize?


39 posted on 04/16/2020 7:57:52 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: RasterMaster

There is the theory ‘out there’ that the athletes going to Wuhan were exposed to a strain which rendered immunity to the weak version, then before they were sent to Wuhan they were exposed to the more lethal strain which they carried to Wuhan. Make of it what you will, but the infection patterns are pointing to two strains, one mild, like a seasonal flu, the other quite lethal with a span of helix pairs which repeat in a long string, ramping up replication activity dramatically beyond the mild version.


40 posted on 04/16/2020 8:05:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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