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To: lasereye

According to the texts, and from what I was once told by a famous tv evangelist from Louisiana, generations were counted as either 40 year or 70 year spans. Since Christianity was not cemented, until the events over Passover weekend, when he was counted as being 33, then if one of the text authors would qualify as a generation later, using the 40 year count.
Romans were very good record keepers.
Where are the Roman contemporary records of Jesus? He was put on trial, yet no legal of that time record exists, unless it is locked away in the basement in Rome. Thanks to a bunch of guys getting together 300 years after the events and witnesses are dead and gone, what other evidence and testimonies were thrown away. And yet, the writings of a man called delusional, were allowed to remain. Fyi, it is Catholics that call him delusional.
I consider this whole thing Rome’s “Area 51”, with plausible deniability et al.


47 posted on 04/11/2020 9:51:44 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith
Since Christianity was not cemented, until the events over Passover weekend, when he was counted as being 33, then if one of the text authors would qualify as a generation later, using the 40 year count.

What do generations have to do with when the New Testament accounts were written?

He was put on trial, yet no legal of that time record exists, unless it is locked away in the basement in Rome.

We know that lots of people were crucified by the Romans. Probably thousands. Are you actually saying that there are thousands of records of ancient Roman trials in existence today, but Jesus isn't there? If you think that you're delusional.

Thanks to a bunch of guys getting together 300 years after the events and witnesses are dead and gone, what other evidence and testimonies were thrown away.

I have no idea what you're referring to. Please explain. Are you talking about a historical event or making something up? It sounds like you're making something up, but you don't say what exactly you're talking about.

And yet, the writings of a man called delusional, were allowed to remain. Fyi, it is Catholics that call him delusional.

I have no idea what you're referring to. Call who delusional? You have a weird way of saying things, where you keep talking about someone or something, but don't say who or what it is.

49 posted on 04/11/2020 12:54:46 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: Terry L Smith

“Roman contemporary records of Jesus? He was put on trial, yet no legal of that time record exists, unless it is locked away in the basement in Rome”

Just to make it clear Jesus was not tried by the Romans, Pilate found that he did not violate Roman law, however he did send Jesus to the Cross.

Now if Pilate had known he was sending the Savior of the World to the Cross and not just a run of the mill Jewish dissenter I am sure he would have flooded the world with documents. But he seemed to be satisfied just washing his hands.


96 posted on 05/03/2020 11:39:35 AM PDT by Rock N Jones (1935)
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To: Terry L Smith; lasereye; Rock N Jones
The Romans kept meticulous records of what transpired in the critical parts of the empire - in the city of Rome and in Italy and Alexandria and Antioch.

But upholding a local rulers (the sanhedrin's) sentence in a backward province? Why would they?

There are no Roman records from the Levant in the first century. No census records, no records of trials or crucifixions, no tax records, nothing. It’s not just that Jesus is missing from the existing records; there are no existing records. Not only is there no official record of Jesus, there is no official record of the country he was from, the king who ruled that country, the Roman prefect who oversaw that king, the High Priest, the Sanhedrin, or anyone else for that matter.

There are Roman records from the first century, but most of them are from Rome and Egypt. A few unscrupulous authors like to claim that “the Romans kept detailed records,” and then provide a string of quotes from Roman records maintained in Egypt, before pointing out that there is no official Roman record that mentions Jesus of Nazareth. To call that disingenuous is an understatement

However, if we compile all of the works of literature produced in the first century, more of them mention Jesus than not. The New Testament alone contains 27 independent books from the first and early second centuries that mention Jesus, and he is mentioned by non-Christian (and non-contemporary first century) authors Josephus, Tacitus, and Suetonius. Josephus goes one further and describes the death of Jesus’ cousin-brother James, the same cousin-brother that Paul mentions within 20 years of the crucifixion.

Jesus’ background as a peasant from a humble family, the commonality of itinerant obscure-country preachers, the scarcity of contemporary writers and their focus on Rome, the problematic nature of Jerusalem and the Palestinian area itself garnering the attention, plus all the various other problems and issues in the empire of the time, would all serve to keep the focus off of Jesus while he was still alive. Even the teaching of Messiah-ship might look to outsiders like just more Jewish dogma

129 posted on 05/06/2020 1:35:38 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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