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To: Cronos; Terry L Smith; lasereye; Rock N Jones
All good points. With respect to "Testimonium Flavianum" by Josephus, it is stated by skeptics, as though it is historical fact, that what he wrote about Jesus is a later interpolation, presumably by Christians. This is the passage that is claimed to have been inserted:
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ . And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

The problem with the skeptics' claim is that no Testimonium Flavianum manuscript has ever been found that does not contain the passage. Testimonium Flavianum was written in the late first century.

133 posted on 05/06/2020 8:44:25 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye

Exactly. One can suppose different things, but if there is no proof, it’s incorrect to build an entire case on it.

like the original post here - where “Eostre” is only mentioned once, in a Christian monk’s supposition written centuries after paganism in England died out. the fact that there is nothing written about this eostre anywhere else, tells you that that character was never a nordic deity


134 posted on 05/06/2020 9:16:23 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: lasereye

Yes in the past is has been subjected to skepticism as so many other things are. However this Wiki article offers some support that Josephus was talking about Jesus the Christ.

“Modern scholarship has largely acknowledged the authenticity of the second reference to Jesus in the Antiquities, found in Book 20, Chapter 9, which mentions “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James.”[13] This reference is consideredto be more authentic than the Testimonium.[14][1][15][16][17][18] “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

In any event I would submit that Crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a far more notable event today than it was at the time it happened.


135 posted on 05/06/2020 11:56:23 AM PDT by Rock N Jones (1935)
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To: lasereye

Now that I have read the next Sunday afternoon service sermon, collaborated by two folks who pulled their volumnal library works .... is there a Cliffnotes version of this masterful thesis?

Y’alll are at the grandstand turn, and the starting gate is still up!


136 posted on 05/07/2020 2:10:47 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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