Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients

Kaiser Health News ^ | Apr 6, 2020 | Markian Hawryluk

[DannyTN]

... As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive. ...

[gas_dr]

Yes. Your butt hurts from being sodomized by fedzilla and having your economy and rights destroyed in what is perhaps the grossest overreaction in human history.

It is a well known symptom of CoVId 19

[DannyTN]

I’m not terrified and I have faith in God.

But God proactively gave me a brain.
That brain tells me things like:
“Danny there’s a train coming, maybe you should get off the tracks.”
“Danny there is a virus coming, maybe you should find a way to work from home.”

God has many many ways he can save me from the train if I refuse to listen to the brain he gave me. But if I foolishly stand there, demanding that God save me, when I’ve ignored my brain, all bets are off as to what God will do.

This article doesn’t represent being scared.
This article has information that doctors and nurses and COVID patients probably need to be aware of.

Flubros need to be aware of it. They need to take this serious and encourage others to take it serious. ‘

None of us need to be panicked. Information is power. Information allows us to take action, whether to stay at home or take preventive medicines or wear masks or protect elderly that we know.

“The prudent see danger coming and seek refuge. The simple continue and pay the penalty.” Prov 22:3

[billyboy15]

“Yeah all us doctors are idiots.”

Not all by any stretch but your profession definitely has its share. Arrogance and a condescending attitude are the biggest problems of those in your line of work.

[billyboy15]

“Yeah all us doctors are idiots.”

Not all by any stretch but your profession definitely has its share. Arrogance and a condescending attitude are the biggest problems of those in your line of work.

[DannyTN]

Information is power.

Have you posted anything of use to anybody?

You just put people to sleep at work and on this board?

[Mom MD]

says the keyboard warrior who is sitting safely at home while the arrogant condescending ones are in the hospital with one mask every 3 days and shared gowns. The. we are arrogant because we have experience and medical training and don’t listen to said keyboard warrior.

[stinkerpot65]

Or, they could give the known cure when symptoms appear to avoid it.

But that would ruin the Democrat fun.

[IrishBrigade]

‘So now, along with permanent lung damage, this virus may cause permanent heart damage. Not good.’

yeah, it may...or it may not; lots of things may or may not be true, the question is do we proceed on the notion that ‘maybe’ justifies actions that ‘maybe’ takes us to the point of no return...?

[gas_dr]

Look you ignorant ass. If you have followed any of my posts you would know I am a critical care physician actively taking care of these patients. You bring nothing to the discussion. Many people have your number. You seem to get off on every breathless report that spells doom.

How about the deaths going down and NY hospitals being under capacity at the apex.

You and your brethren are the most obnoxious and ignorant people and you spew your idiocy every time you post something

Being this will be my last communication to you I wooo present you the same valedictory as those before you

God Speed
Good luck

And by Good luck I mean f*** off

[hcmama]

Well done.

[gas_dr]

Thanks. I appreciate it. As one of my favorite songs says....there are none so blind as those who will not see

[hcmama]

Thank you.

Seriously, thank you for what you do and for pushing back on this insanity.

[MD Expat in PA]

What, scientific researchers are immune to the avarice that rules human hearts? They must “all be respected” now, like teachers? Like even the teachers who seduce students, then get away with it because they’re hot? Please. Scientific researchers work like anyone else. For money. They go where the money goes and hire lobbyists and grant writers to get them the money, and prior history shows we likely cannot trust Kaiser Permanente with anything. Thanks, however, for going personal right off the bat.

I happen to know some medical scientific researchers and I can guarantee you that the ones I know are not living in McMansions and are certainly not getting rich. Sure grant money is an important aspect to funding research and yes, some research is stupid and based on non-scientific reasoning and obviously a play for grant money. But just as your analogy of teachers seducing students and getting away with it because they are hot does not represent the vast majority of teachers, neither does that same logic apply to all researchers.

A few bad apples does not make the bushel.

[Mom MD]

Thank you. Usually I get hate..../

[Candor7]

Yeah all us doctors are idiots.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I suppose there are about 6000 doctors then who you think are idiots, who successfully use Hydroxy-chloroquine based therapy (Plaquenil).

The old paradigms of drug approval do not work in a crisis. Those who are on the front lines fighting this disease are signalling what works but the profession clings to the “drug testing “ process established when we have plenty of time? We do not have that time. So what is your agenda?Politics now enters the care arena as governors and some insurance groups prohibit the use of this drug ? SICK! Many will die because of it, and when the hostory of this epidemic is written, you will be on the side of draconian plutocrats and fools.

Crisis brings about the necessity of what is called an asymmetrical assessment of risk. I can’t see what is so difficult in this.Its life or death for so many on this issue.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/doctors-hoarding-untested-anti-coronavirus-drugs-for-themselves-report/

HHS has access to 10 million doses of the drug. Where is the beef?

[Leep]

Man, i am just going to live.
And try to avoid the nervous people.
While i hope America doesn’t completely come apart at the seems.

[Leep]

seams that is.

[Travis McGee]

Guayaquil Ecuador Coronavirus Update:

Video title, translated: “Guayaquil, one of the areas of Ecuador most affected by coronavirus, cannot cope with the corpses”

[Guayaquil, una de las zonas de Ecuador más afectadas por coronavirus, no da abasto con los cadáveres]

Univision News, April 5, 2 minute YT video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIE7A8PTAzs

“They are recovering 150 bodies per day, compared to the normal 30 from other causes” (before the epidemic).

(Guayaquil’s population is 3 million, more than half in crowded slums)

Guayaquil is Covid-19 “in the wild,” with little or no modern medical care available. Hospitals are overrun. Sick people wait for days outside the few hospitals for a bed, and are told to just return home (to get better, or to die.)

End stage Covid-19 is BRUTAL without palliative meds: morphine++ etc. You slowly suffocate and drown in your own pink frothy lung fluids. Most Ecuadorians dying of CV die at home. Hospitals have collapsed, there are virtually no ventilators or ICU beds or staff in the First World meaning.

Those pushing for “herd immunity” via “let it run” aka “It’s just the flu” should watch the news reports from Guayaquil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIE7A8PTAzs

Just google or Youtube search “Guayaquil, Ecuador” for a Coronavirus reality check. This is a huge story around Latin America. And they are just starting in Guayaquil, they are about where Northern Italy was a month ago. It’s getting worse and worse by the day.

And it’s not lost on the news anchors (in Spanish) that the numbers in Colombia and other South American countries are just a couple weeks behind Guayaquil, “The Gateway to the Pacific Rim.”

The recent outbreak is blamed on crews from ships from China, and also Spanish travelers “bugging out” to their Ecuador 2nd homes.

[Travis McGee]

Please see 58.

[null and void]

cardiac damage was a common death following the virus in China months ago. Just figuring it out here now.

Yep. There were several videos that managed to escape before China locked down that showed people keeling over on the street

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

The false positive rate was 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's or one old fart’s life, it's worth it.