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Justice Gorsuch on Bump Stock Ban Denial of Cert in GUEDES v. BATFE
AmmoLand ^ | 4 March, 2020 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/06/2020 4:53:14 AM PST by marktwain

In 2019, in response to a single criminal act, faced with intense media pressure, resulting in political pressure, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, (BATFE) moved to ban bump stocks. They did so, claiming bump stocks were machine guns, contrary to numerous findings they had made over the last several decades.

The new regulation was challenged in the courts. The first case to be appealed to the Supreme Court was filed in the District of Columbia. On 2 March, 2020, the Supreme Court denied a writ of certiorari, the legal term to say they declined to hear the case. The Supreme Court declines to hear most cases. Very often, justices do not comment when writs of certiorari are denied.

The doctrine the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia used to uphold the regulation is called the Chevron doctrine. It essentially says bureaucracies may interpret vague laws to make specific regulations.

Justice Gorsuch, the first justice appointed by President Trump, felt compelled to write a brief statement explaining why the Supreme Court did not grant certiorari. Here is his statement in its entirety. From supremcourt.gov:

Statement of JUSTICE GORSUCH.

Does owning a bump stock expose a citizen to a decade in federal prison? For years, the government didn’t think so. But recently the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives changed its mind. Now, according to a new interpretive rule from the agency, owning a bump stock is forbidden by a longstanding federal statute that outlaws the “possession [of] a machinegun.” 26 U. S. C. §5685(b), 18 U. S. C. §924(a)(2). Whether bump stocks can be fairly re-classified and effectively outlawed as machineguns under existing statutory definitions, I do not know and could not say without briefing and argument.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; bumpstock; supremecourt
Justice Gorsuch lays out the reasons he disagrees with the appeals court, and tells us there are several other cases pending on this regulation.

He asks us to be patient.

1 posted on 03/06/2020 4:53:14 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
a longstanding federal statute that outlaws the “possession [of] a machinegun.” 26 U. S. C. §5685(b), 18 U. S. C. §924(a)(2)

This should have been ruled unconstitutional a long time ago.

2 posted on 03/06/2020 4:55:50 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: marktwain

“...a single criminal act, faced with intense media pressure, resulting in political pressure...”

Pretty much spells it all out.


3 posted on 03/06/2020 4:57:25 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: marktwain
The term Chevron doctrine comes from the case Chevron U.S.A. Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc., 467 U.S. 837 (1984). It refers to a defense invoked by a government agency allowing the court to show deference to the agency's interpretation of a law the it administers. It basically says that if Congress hasn't addressed the matter, the agency's interpretation of a regulation or statute it administers is permissible it should be deferred to.

THIS is bunk from a liberal court (1984). Some unelected bureaucrat who has a life-time job, since you can't fire the lazy basards, sitting in Washington so he has no idea what it is like in the real frickin' world, can in effect make law because a bunch of lazy ass congress-critters can't write effective English to be clear in what they mean. Truth be told, the damn legislators don't even read what they pass, let alone write it themselves.

Perhaps it boils down to reading comprehension. What part of shall not infringe don't they get?

4 posted on 03/06/2020 5:08:21 AM PST by RubinBoomer (PA for Trump 2020)
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To: marktwain

He’s leaving it to the states...and that’s where it should stay...at least for now. He did it right.


5 posted on 03/06/2020 5:25:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: marktwain
My blood is boiling this morning, gentlemen. Think about it, every word of "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should not exist in government. Bureau, the root of bureaucracy. Alcohol is legal, leave it the F alone. Who cares is some huckleberry burns down his house making shine or someone so stupid to drink unproven applejack goes blind. They have the personal choice to make a mistake. Tobacco is legal, leave it the F alone. No normal person wants to grow it cause you get tar all over you when you pick it. It's just illegal to sell the crap across state lines. Last time I looked at the constitution, the commerce clause meant to make commerce regular between the several states, not tax the crap out of tobacco or regulate it's production, transport, distribution, and sale. Then you have firearms. Again, what part of shall not infringe don't they get. An entire Bureau setup to infringe. Everyone who works at the ATF are worthless anti-American pieces of schiff. Get a real F'n job. Explosives, oh no, can't have those now. You don't have a need to blow up the boulder or tree stump in your back forty, cuz your just a Rube Boomer, and don't know any better. You'll blow yourself up. If someone wants to make or use explosives for illegal uses, like terrorism, perhaps you shouldn't have let them in the country in the first place. Don't worry about my safety to take way my liberty.

You realize that at some point in our history there were zero laws pertaining to Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. All four have existed since our founding, and looky here, us rubes are still kickin'.

6 posted on 03/06/2020 5:28:14 AM PST by RubinBoomer (PA for Trump 2020)
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The same year the Bill of Rights was ratified, 1791, the whiskey tax was passed.


7 posted on 03/06/2020 5:33:07 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

so....he’s a fair minded man and does not want to make up his mind before hearing all of the evidence.

Given the state of our judiciary today I suppose that IS shocking.


8 posted on 03/06/2020 5:33:35 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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The same year the Bill of Rights was ratified, 1791, the whiskey tax was passed.

That's was tax, not a regulation. It was intended to pay off revolutionary war debt. It was also a very unpopular tax. It caused the Whiskey Rebellion.

It was repealed under Jefferson.

With that said, it was an excise tax, which is completely constitutional. There's a difference in taxing things and having bureaucrats regulate how you do business and how you live.

9 posted on 03/06/2020 5:42:18 AM PST by RubinBoomer (PA for Trump 2020)
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Good Rant,Boomer!


10 posted on 03/06/2020 6:47:18 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: marktwain

Dean,

Thanks for linking to the Supreme Court document itself. I wish more folks would do that when commenting on such things.


11 posted on 03/06/2020 7:20:31 AM PST by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: RubinBoomer

“Think about it, every word of “Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives” should not exist in government.”
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Wow I certainly appreciate all the time and effort that you put into your post, you are completely wrong. There is actually nothing wrong with the word “of” with regard to the government.


12 posted on 03/06/2020 7:40:48 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Ancesthntr
Mia Culpa, mia culpa, mia culpa. You are so correct. It is preposterous of me to persecute prepositions.
13 posted on 03/06/2020 7:49:56 AM PST by RubinBoomer (PA for Trump 2020)
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To: marktwain

I have long argued that poorly written vague laws are what give non-elected bureaucrats so much power. It is time to dump the “Chevron” doctrine and return the responsibility for enacting our nation’s laws to Congress.


14 posted on 03/06/2020 8:06:28 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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“Despite these concerns, I agree with my colleagues that the interlocutory petition before us does not merit review.The errors apparent in this preliminary ruling might yet be corrected before final judgment. Further, other courts of appeals are actively considering challenges to the same regulation. Before deciding whether to weigh in, we would benefit from hearing their considered judgments—provided, of course, that they are not afflicted with the same problems. But waiting should not be mistaken for lack of concern.“


15 posted on 03/06/2020 8:20:52 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Sacajaweau

Actually, isn’t he leaving it to the courts to actually finish ruling on the case before the SCOTUS intercedes?


16 posted on 03/06/2020 8:23:28 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: RubinBoomer

May I steal that entire post?


17 posted on 03/06/2020 8:32:52 AM PST by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Certainly


18 posted on 03/06/2020 8:53:01 AM PST by RubinBoomer (PA for Trump 2020)
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