Why not vote? Democrats say it's impeachment either way

AP ^ | Oct 10, 2019 | MARY CLARE JALONICK

[where's_the_Outrage?]

WASHINGTON (AP) — It's impeachment because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says it is.

That's the legal position of House Democrats, and they are sticking with it, for now, even as President Donald Trump decries impeachment as "illegitimate" without a formal House vote to start it. Trump has said he won't cooperate with the impeachment investigation, which is looking into his dealings with Ukraine, unless there is a vote and Republicans are treated more fairly.

For the Democrats, there are legal, strategic and political reasons to stay the course.

THE LEGAL RATIONALE

Under the law, Democrats say they have no obligation to hold a vote. The Constitution gives the House "the sole power of impeachment" and the Senate "the sole power to try all impeachments." And it dictates the removal from office of an impeached president who is convicted by the Senate of "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

Congress is left to fill in the details. And there is no requirement for a vote under House rules. Republicans are pointing to precedent. They note that the House held votes to authorize impeachment investigations against Presidents Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.

[where's_the_Outrage?]

"It's impeachment because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says it is."

Kind of says it all right there.

[DarthVader]

Well Lindsey says no for the Senate and that makes a stalemate, But this still will not stop the actions that are being taken against the Deep State. They will get overwhelmed.

[bandit123]

kind of like they Kenyan is eligible because Nancy says so
she sue has a lot to be worried about if tried for treason

[bandit123]

kind of like they Kenyan is eligible because Nancy says so
she sure has a lot to be worried about if tried for treason

[Travis McGee]

What does the Constitution say about it?

“The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”

Whittled down to the nub:

“The House of Representatives shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”

Not “The Speaker of the House.”

“The House of Representatives.” That means all 435 take a vote.

[GOPJ]

Mitch McConnell needs to send out Subpoena too... What’s good for the goose is good for the gander... Let’s put democrats under oath..

[where's_the_Outrage?]

I would like to see the DOJ appoint a special prosecutor into for Obstruction of Justice for any and all that are using their official Government Authority to block/hinder the investigation into Corruption associated with Ukraine, China, 2016 election, etc.

[DoodleDawg]

Because Nancy Pelosi prefers to have it both ways. She knows that voting on impeachment or voting to formally begin the impeachment process may hurt Democrats running in competitive races so she’d like to avoid that. Yet she wants the headlines that the impeachment investigation would generate. So with the administration refusing to honor subpoenas she can go out there and say that the Democrats want to complete their investigation and vote impeachment if they find it’s “justified” but since that evil ‘ol Trump won’t won’t cooperate they can’t complete their work. They can beat Trump up with claims of obstruction and not have to go on the record.

[SkyPilot]

Mitch McConnell needs to send out Subpoena too

I read last night that McConnell and his wife Elaine Chao (who is Trump's Secretary of Transportation) increased their net worth from $3 million to nearly $35 million since 2004. The illegally profited from foreign money, including China.

In 2016, shortly after President Trump's inauguration, McConnell met with Trump in the Oval Office and chastised him for his rhetoric about "draining the swamp." McConnell implicitly threatened that unless Trump backed off, no meaningful legislation or judicial appointments would get through the Senate.

The Enemy is larger than any of us realize.

[USCG SimTech]

Here is the problem with certain people not understanding the CONTENT of the words in the Constitution.

The Constitution states it is the House, not the speaker of the house, not a committee of the House, not one party in the House, not a drunken cloakroom voice vote, the House.

That means all of the House. Unfortunate that people keep trying to change the meaning of words and statements.

[billyboy15]

Well I call bullsht on your claim re what McConnell told Trump. Trump has not let up on his swamp rhetoric and a record number of Judges have been appointed.

Asfor his net worth, unless you have info showing illegality, who cares.

Why have you not posted a link to this info?

[TalBlack]

Voting is how the House exercises it’s power. Without a vote there is nothing.

[GOPJ]

Crooks in Washington write the laws... they made it legal for Biden’s sons and friends to milk foreign countries for easy cash in exchange for ‘Daddy putting his thumb on the scale...’...

Our crooks (public servants) sell us out - then pass laws to make their corruption technically ...'legal'. To add insult to injury they write laws so their loser kids can ride the money-grubbing corruption bandwagon... Hunter Biden raked in over $50,000 a month... for nothing... it was a bribe. A bribe made legal by the sh*ts (elites) in Washington...

When you hear the term ‘Washington Norms’ it means Washington 'elites' talk slow, dress well, and sell out our country. They write the 'laws' that make accepting bribes 'legal'...FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY...

Horrible trade deals in the past can be traced back to Washington Norms’ where every Ivy blowhard makes his fortune stealing from our country “legally’.

Ever wonder why people spend millions running for an office that only pays $174,000 a year? Within a few years our ‘public servants’ have gone from middle-class to multimillionaires.

[Wizdum]

"In 2016, shortly after President Trump's inauguration, McConnell met with Trump in the Oval Office and chastised him for his rhetoric about "draining the swamp." McConnell implicitly threatened that unless Trump backed off, no meaningful legislation or judicial appointments would get through the Senate."

I bet Trump laughed right in Mitch's face.

[Lion Den Dan]

Beware these Communists. The will be coming for the rest of us soon.

[GOPJ]

McConnel’s wife’s father gave her the money. And, yes - he’s Chinese. If Mitch McConnell wasn’t a Republican it wouldn’t be noticed. Lots of Dads give money to their children before they die.

[mosesdapoet]

BREAKING: Pelosi’s Son Now Involved In Ukraine Scandal- Democrat Party In Shambles
Rightwingtribune.com ^ | Dean James & Dean Garrison at DC Clothesline October 4, 2019

Posted on 10/04/2019 12:21:05 PM PDT by Red Badger

Hunter Biden move over. Now Nancy Pelosi’s son may be looking to take center stage with the Ukraine controversy. Paul Pelosi, Jr. spent time in Ukraine in 2017.

“BOOM: Nancy Pelosi’s son Paul Pelosi Jr. (who went to Ukraine in 2017) was a board member of Viscoil and executive at its related company NRGLab, which DID ENERGY Business in UKRAINE! And Nancy Pelosi appeared in a promotional video for the company!”

Top Romney Adviser Worked With Hunter Biden On Board Of Ukrainian Energy Company
Federalist ^ | September 26, 2019 | Erielle Davidson

Posted on 10/4/2019, 8:14:46 PM by cocoapuff

Federalist—According to Burisma’s website, Joseph Cofer Black (Romney adviser) was appointed in February of 2017 and continues to serve on its board. The timelines would indicate that Black and Biden worked together at Burisma, and indeed, web archives from late 2017 show Black and Biden listed simultaneously on the board.

Burisma Paid Joe Biden $900,000 for Lobbying – Ukrainian MP
Ukraine News Agency ^ | October 9th 2019

Posted on 10/9/2019, 2:22:20 PM by Jacquerie

KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.

Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, “describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr.” at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine’s press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.

“This was the transfer of Burisma Group’s funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services,” Derkach said.

[reformedliberal]

...Trump laughed right in Mitch’s face.
____________________________
Or showed Mitch his own file.

We have judges. I don’t have a list of meaningful legislation, but the Senate, as a whole, has been ok. Individual Senators, not so much.

Winning a legislative seat and having a Cabinet appointment are a path to more riches....no argument. It’s not right, but it is what it is.

No one has successfully bullied POTUS and all I have seen is the Trump Curse in action. I also see much progress under Trump and much grit. Maybe Mitch said it was a dangerous course. It is. Maybe Mitch was fearful, knowing the Swamp’s depth and breadth. He (& Trump) should be aware of that and seem to be.

But Trump persisted. The progs celebrate their crooks persisting. Why fret if our side persists fighting those same crooks?

[Jim Noble]

They do have to vote to pass articles of impeachment.

They certainly do not have to hold a vote before then. The House has the absolute right to make its own rules, under existing rules what Pelosi is doing is perfectly legal.

[Jim Noble]

“The House of Representatives.” That means all 435 take a vote.

Right.

Nobody has suggested that Pelosi can send Articles to the Senate without a vote.

What they are trying to do is to advance Articles to the floor for a vote without any procedural votes and without allowing the minority to participate.

As far as I can see, doing it this way is sleazy, underhanded, dishonest - and perfectly Constitutional.