Posted on 08/27/2019 7:52:50 AM PDT by Sopater
More than two-thirds of Republican-leaning adults say in a new poll that they support so-called red flag laws that allow family members to petition a court for temporary restrictions on a person's right to own a firearm.
A poll released Tuesday found that 70 percent of Republicans surveyed support such legislation, as do 67 percent of gun owners.
Support for such legislation drops, however, when it is expanded to allow members of law enforcement to petition a court without a family member filing a claim.
In that case, 66 percent of Republicans support allowing police officers to petition a court to take away a citizen's firearms, while 60 percent of gun owners said the same. Nearly 80 percent of Democrats support red flag laws that extend to law enforcement, while 85 percent of Democrats support the basic version of the laws.
In all, 77 percent of the public supports family-initiated orders, while 70 percent back police-initiated ones, according to the poll.
Support for the legislation was polled just before two deadly mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, which thrust gun control back into the national spotlight. President Trump reportedly supports the idea of passing red flag legislation at the national level, which Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) vowed to do in a bill with the president's backing earlier this month.
Graham's legislation would create a federal grant program for law enforcement to help states pass their own red flag laws.
“These grants will be given to law enforcement so they can hire and consult with mental health professionals to better determine which cases need to be acted upon. This grant program also requires robust due process and judicial review. It does allow for quick action," Graham said in a statement.
APM Research's survey contacted 1,000 American adults between July 16 and 21. The poll's margin of error is 3.5 percentage points.
From PAFOA:
Here’s who funded the poll...a law firm from Minneapolis who operates all over the world who focuses on “diversity”. Their foundation focuses on grants for arts, cultural and “social” welfare.
https://www.dorsey.com/diversity
https://www.dorsey.com/locations
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It is a moronic idea that is loved by leftists looking to completely remove the right to self defense. DUE PROCESS is suspended, and if you think that's good you need to go back to DU.
“Red flags” have an inordinate possibility, no, PROBABILITY of being abused. When a “red flag” is to be applied to a person, the subject should have the right to review and even challenge that judgment, and those that come from anonymous sources should be scrutinized carefully. There are those who are pre-judged as guilty, regardless of the circumstances, and those who really and truly SHOULD be red-flagged. There should be reasonable room to resolve the differences between the two.
But the red flag, just like so many other gun-control laws, can be circumvented with relative ease, because there is no basic appreciation of just what the possession of a personal weapon actually involves. The greater majority of people have the moral fiber to understand what is involved in the care, grooming, feeding and proper and safe handling of firearms, and a much smaller number that either uses the weapons as another means of coercing others to submit to their bullying tactics, or those who are just so pathologically afraid of guns or weapons of any kind, they go into a mental paralysis at the very thought.of being in the presence of such a device.
These groups can and should be sorted out beginning in the primary grades in school, where it becomes part of the curriculum to KNOW what the various kinds of sidearms are and how to identify them. This is followed up in the middle school years with a hands-on demonstration of the explanation of how these weapons work, and evaluating the reaction of the individual child to the now demystified secrets of touching and holding such devices. The responsible child will take to this instruction like a duck to water, while the perpetually timid and the potential abusers of weapons make themselves much more prominent. The pathologically fearful should be given additional training in how to avoid, evade, or escape those who would carry weapons with malice intent, and also get their name and Social Security number tattooed somewhere on their bodies, for identification if the worst should come to pass. The potential troublemakers should be steered into some kind of further evaluation or counseling, to prevent further descent into the depths of soul darkness, or to prepare for the day when such efforts do not work any further.
The more mentally healthy youngsters should be encouraged to take up the basics and advanced training in upkeep of a weapon, cleaning, maintenance, storage, and firing of the weapon, with emphasis on selection of appropriate targets, framing the shot, aiming, and firing the weapon with a degree of accuracy in hitting that target. This training in marksmanship is great preparation for later service in either the military, or in law enforcement, and is a mainstay of home defense.
Every elementary and secondary school in America should have some form of this training as part of the curriculum, right along with history, mathematics, grounded scientific inquiry, and literacy in the meanings of patriotism and national interests.
I just took a poll myself. I found 100% of people polled thought this crap was Fake News.
added keyword.
Yup, the usual bias is in place:
Republican 253
Independent 352
Democrat 364
Independents are usually Democrats. But let us assume only 66% are.
You would have
Republican: 253+116 = 369
Democrat: 364+235 =599
BTW: the numbers only add up to 968, not 1000 as they claimed. SO:
Republican = 369/968 = 38%
Democrat = 599/968 = 62%
YEEEEEAHHHHHH
With a 62% Democrat load, you THINK MAYBE they could generate a 66% gungrab statistic????!
I question whether a survey of a whopping 1000 can make the leap claimed in the article, also how many of the thousand that responded were republicans? A conclusion of 70% could be meaningless if say there were only 10 people who identified as republican and what kind of push questions made up this ‘poll’.
What about liberal neighbors making false accusations?
My answer is:
E: Load my Glock and wait in a concealed position.
I was referring to the incredibly high numbers that favored family members only, mentioned at the first part of the article.
“This was no doubt a very carefully worded poll designed to get a certain result.”
I can only guess the wording;....To ensure the safety of woman and children, and for the safety of society in general with the promise your 2nd amendment rights won’t be trampled on without a really, really good reason, and in order to preserve your family’s well being and prevent them from being slaughtered, do you support reasonable and sensible red flag laws to remove firearms from the hands of a maniac family member?
Yes? No?
E is definitely the best (and only feasible) answer
BUT
In certain ‘polls’ there will be NO answer a reasonable person can use and in the case of ‘my scenario’ 3 are downright stupid BUT it does answer the (unasked) question..
How on earth did they get 70% to agree on that.
Usually a crowd of 100 or so can’t get 70% to agree on the same lunch.....lucky to get half that many to precisely pick the same TIME for lunch....
The red flag laws could easily be abused. Is there any due process or would law enforcement just show up at your door to confiscate your guns based on an acusation? I could see in some areas annoymous tips might be used as a basis of a red flag confiscation. If proprty is seized by the government aren’t there guarantees in the Constitution for just compensation? Could a red flag seizure be challenged in the courts? While these red flag laws may seem like a good idea would they really address the problem? How many of the mass shooters if late have been prevented by red flag laws..my bet is not very many
Anyone watching Fox last night would have seen Chris Hahn actually state what the Left is after-a registry of who has what gun. Given the opportunity, they WILL come for your guns.
1. Note I am against the law. I stated this in the original post. I do favor the concept of crazy-person control.
2. Regarding “going back the DU”, I don’t see you on the list of top donors of FR. I’ve been one for years. Put your money where your mouth is.
I don't believe this poll for an instant.
On the other hand, I could find myself looking with favor on laws that would prohibit Democrats from possessing firearms and forcible confiscation any that they might have. Perhaps we could automatically "Red Flag" Democrats.
I guess I am as bad as they are. I suppose I will have to behave.
Everybody is going to hate the new rules.
“Also notice these ‘Hate does not live here’ sprouting up on front lawns in the area”
Survival does not live where those signs are posted.
Obviously, they didn't. They simply manipulated the numbers until it looked like it.
The lie is built into the first sentence. Red Flag laws are advertised as being for "family members", but they are invariably written so that anyone - sometimes even anonymously - can call for forced disarmament.
Further, they allow the state - including police, teachers, the dog catcher, the garbage collector (where applicable) - to forcibly disarm an individual without prior due process - which means without due process at all.
While the reported percentage of support is disheartening, the premise of the poll itself, as reported here, is a complete and utter lie.
And the Sheeple believe if the government confiscates all arms from law abiding citizens they will also be able to keep illegal arms from flooding across the borders into the hands of criminals just like they do illegal drugs...oh wait.
See my #58.
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