Posted on 07/23/2019 12:09:48 AM PDT by Cronos
Sleepy Boston is Brexit country.
Three quarters of voters in this Lincolnshire town cast their ballots to leave the EU, the highest rate in the UK...why did she vote to leave?
"Purely so that we go back to ruling our own country," she explains.
Which country, I ask.
"England," she replies instinctively, before quickly adding "UK, UK". She feels the need to clarify because "I can hear your Scottish voice".
And what if Brexit led to independence for Scotland?
Ms Coombs says she is relaxed about that.
"I don't think we should dabble in your politics and your economy so much. Same with Northern Ireland," she says.
...England and Wales voted to leave the EU while voters in Scotland and Northern Ireland signalled their desire to remain.
This has apparently led to some confusion, with one voter in Lincolnshire telling us he was under the impression that Scotland would be staying as an EU member while England left. In fact, the decision applies to the United Kingdom as a whole.
..Some 63% of respondents said they would rather Brexit took place even if it led to Scottish independence, and 59% expressed the same view about Brexit leading to Northern Ireland leaving the UK.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
This will clear all the hurdles for a true EngWexit - England-Wales to leave the EU and leave Scotland and Ireland to stay in the EU.
They could do “One Country, Two Systems” for giving N. Ireland back to Ireland.
They should beg Scotland to leave the UK, the Scots lean too far to the left and the English/Welsh would be much better off without them.
How did the land of Adam Smith get to be so leftist?
I don’t know enough to say but I would venture to guess that all the best Scots left for America and other corners of the empire back when the English were still treating them like a conquered enemy.
There probably has to be more to it though.
Strange that the BBC has to ask why three quarters of voters in the “sleepy” Lincolnshire town of Boston cast their ballots to leave the EU (the highest rate in the UK).
Everyone in England knows that the agricultural area around Boston has been completely overrun with east europeans to work on the surrounding farms and market gardens. Much of this workforce conrolled by criminal gang-masters and unfortunately not from the top of the social strata.
In fact the one-country, two-systems approach is what they could have done if Theresa May did not have her unnecessary elections in 2017 - she had a majority before that while after that she had to get into bed with the DUP - the Northern Ireland party that is fully opposed to the 1-country,2-systems model
There will definitely be more elections before this is all over, the current parliament can’t get together on anything.
Post the hollowing out of the coal and manufacturing sectors, Scotland went into depression - as did the north of England. Only London prospered from the 70s onwards
the English were still treating them like a conquered enemy. - they did that before the 1600s.
From the 1600s you actually have the Scottish King taking over England
And from 1707 you have the act of union.
The Scots turned leftist in the 1800s under Presbyterianism and went further left post WWI and then post Thatcherism
That is probably the reason - a lot of Lithuanian, Polish, Romanian and Bulgarian mafias there - and even if these are just exploiting “their own”, it’s still not nice to live alongside this
“Scotland isn’t much more left than England.
In 2010, 78 per cent of people in Scotland, compared with 74 per cent in England, said that the gap between those on high incomes and those on low incomes was too large. “
You could be right but I thought difference was larger in other polls/election results I have seen.
I’m far from an expert though.
“From the 1600s you actually have the Scottish King taking over England
And from 1707 you have the act of union.”
But there was still fighting and oppression, Bonnie Prince Charlie’s uprising was in 1745.
My prediction (and going by the way this has been a rollercoaster ride since May 2016, anything is possible) is
1. BoJo becomes PM
2. Next week Hammond and other key personnel resign and become backbenchers.
3. Parliament goes for its 1.5 month holiday
4. BoJo pretends to be renegotiating, instead he’s playing for time
5. Sturgeon prepares the grounds for another independence vote
6. More businesses move out of the UK quietly
7. 1 September parliament is back and there is a QUANGO organized for ways forward - it goes nowhere, but delays until October 31
8. October 30, BoJo heads to Brussels to beg for another extension, but with no reasoning why.
9. This is rejected
10. UK leaves on October 31.
11. BoJo returns and blames the EU for kicking out the UK
12. Companies rush out the door
13. Scotland carries out its referendum and leaves
14. NI reunites with the RoI
15. England and Wales go off on their own - they sign a deal with the USA
that’s by 2021
True about Bonnie Prince Charlie, but I think it more of a pro-Stewart dynasty movement, even though it was heavily based on the Scots.
To be rich but enslaved?Frankly, I don't believe that Brexit will lead to poverty, but the above is gets to the bottom line of the Brexit issue.OR
To be poor but free?
Ultimately, isn't the EU just selling cells in a zoo.
Lots of hard work and planning by the communist/socialist dregs from the USSR and its former eastern bloc satellites.
Ask Mutti Merkel. She knows them all by name.
It’s just killing you that the UK is going to leave the EU isn’t it?
The one trait that might be assigned American-Scots and UK-Scots...is that they always have in their mind that the grass greener over in the other valley. They are on an endless search for this hidden ‘gem’. So if the UK left the EU, I have no doubt that Scotland would go and vote for independence. About a decade would pass, with thirty to fifty percent of Scots angered over lack of green grass, and demanding another adventure of some type...away from the EU, and toward something totally different.
well, the UK isn’t enslaved - by that standard, California is “enslaved”
Currently as part of the union, the UK gets to decide and in fact make policies, regulations and standards — out of the thousands of regulations that have past, less than 2% - about 74, have been those where the UK voted no — that’s far less than the No’s that France or Germany have gotten
They also got the most opt-outs of any of the members of the federation - opting out of Schengen, the Euro, getting a rebate etc. etc.
Now as to ‘being poor” - that’s not what the Leave campaign promised - they promised that getting a deal like Norway would be easy (forgetting to mention that Norway signed up for free movement of EU citizens) and that the UK would gain untold riches. Now they’re saying times will be hard.
The Leave vote first claimed financial reasons for leaving - they claimed there would be a change for riches outside the EU.
Now that that has been shown to be a lie, the tactic is different - “freedom” - which is a fine slogan, but again belies the fact that the UK was already pretty free to do what it liked.
Nah, Scotland and northern England were already hotbeds of socialism before the USSR - remember that this was the heartland of the industrial revolution.
Nope. It’s enriching me :)
Business has been increasing by leaps and bounds since last August when it was pretty clear that David Davis (the Leave campaigner who was in charge of the negotiations) hadn’t prepared and had fluffed it. Lots of companies have been shifting out of the UK - most to Dublin or the Netherlands for front-office and to Poland, Romania and even Cork for back-office stuff.
It’s killing me that they haven’t left YET. I was so looking forward to March 31 and blam, the UK asks for an extension. Then in May again they beg for another extension.
But the uncertainty is only pushing the exodus, so I wonder - would the crashing out of no-deal push the exodus of jobs faster? or would Boris’ begging for an extension make the job leaving work out longer?
It was the damn Scottish Enlightenment.
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