Posted on 06/27/2019 1:06:28 AM PDT by Cronos
43 per cent want Britain to Remain, and 16 per cent wanted a softer Brexit, the YouGov research for The Times showed.
Just 13 per cent wanted us to quit the bloc with Theresa May's dead deal, compared to 28 per cent who stressed Britain should leave with no deal at all.
(Excerpt) Read more at thesun.co.uk ...
Momentum for no deal is growing.
The Remain camp is shrinking.
43% for remain
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16% for half-hearted Brexit
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13% for fake brexit
Doesn’t say whether those with soft Brexit or Mays deal would choose remain or no deal when faced with a binary choice.
Actually it is shrinking. No deal Brexit won 37% of the vote at the European parliamentary election as compared to 28% now.
If you believe the polls....
Also doesn’t say whether soft/May Brexit realize just how bad that is—in some ways worse than remaining, as it limits their ability to get out completely in the future—or are your usual barely engaged voters going for what sounds like the reasonable, moderate, compromise mush. IMO that middle could be shored up as well as naturally pro-Brexit given better explanation and only a cleaner option.
Right. Public polls like this are tools of propaganda for the Establishment and Yougov, as an online panel poll, is particularly unreliable.
What’s very clear is that there is still no consensus. The 43% and 30% won’t budge. A no deal will happen but the UK will remain hopelessly divided. Ah well, they had a good run for 300 years as a union, but all things come to an end.
This one’s from the sun, a shrill pro leave tabloid. So it spins for leave while others will spin for remain.
Not everybody who voted for the Brexit Party necessarily supported no deal Brexit. Some voted that way just as a rejection of the establishment. I also do not agree that those who voted Brexit will never vote Tory or Labour again or that those who voted Remain are permanent LibDems now. I also do not see the U.K. splintering over this no matter how much you seem to want it to.
I don’t care where it’s from.
I care about the methodology.
And, gee, that info’s not made available to readers.
Go figure.
The vote during the advisory referendum for Brexit was a rejection of the establishment, yes.
The UK is already splintering - the public opinion of people I've met in Blackpool, London, Edinburgh and Cardiff are in the mood of "let's split" - that's what I've seen in my visits there over the past month or so. I would suggest you do the same.
The voters took the Yurp parliamentary elections as a free chance to smack down the establishment. They knew the Brexit Party would not have the power to impose a Brexit on WTO terms - only the UK Parliament has the power to do that. So the votes in favor of the Brexit Party were not necessarily all votes in favor of its position on this.
In previous polls, Brexit on WTO terms got 25% of the vote and now its 28%. Not a huge increase but an increase nevertheless. 48% voted Remain in the referendum and now they’re polling at 43%. Ergo, a 5% decrease in support.
That’s false. Visit the UK and you will see that the protest vote was the advisory referendum vote.
The EU parliamentary election was clearly used to indicate whether no Brexit or no deal or may deal/soft deal
43% voted no Brexit.
32% voted no deal
The rest were in between.
The previous polls you cite are from January or earlier.
48% voted remain, now 43 with mnearly all moving to SOFT Brexit.
Do citizens in other EU countries want out now that they see it’s possible?
“Advisory referendum”. All major parties said it was binding.
We have very different views of how things will go and what the motivations of U.K. voters are. Time will tell.
The UK high court put it on 3 November 2015 that
“a referendum on any topic can only be advisory for the lawmakers in Parliament”.The High Court came to its conclusion that the referendum was not legally binding guided by “basic constitutional principles of parliamentary sovereignty and representative parliamentary democracy”.
In a parliamentary democracy, as barrister Rupert Myers bluntly puts it, “the people are not sovereign”.
That’s why Nigel Farage, for example, accepts that the referendum result was technically advisory only, but says that “I would now wish to see constitutional change to make referendums binding”.
As to the motivations of the UK voters during the European parliamentary elections it was clearly a vote and presented as a vote on no-deal versus no Brexit versus May/soft brexit. And it was a toss-up with no-deal getting 32%, no-brexit 43% and the rest, well, the rest
No it was not legally binding which is why I’ve never said it was. What I’ve said is that all the major political parties said it was binding.....ie that they would respect the vote ie that it was not merely advisory as some Remoaners would have it now that they lost.
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