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Men are in trouble. ‘Incels’ are proof.
The Washington Post ^ | June 7, 2019 | Christine Emba

Posted on 06/08/2019 12:32:26 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The Internet has enabled the flourishing of countless subcultures, from the harmless to the less so. Lately, one of the latter groups has begun to break into the mainstream: the “incels.”

“Incel” is short for “involuntary celibate,” and as their self-imposed name implies, these mostly young men have come to define themselves by their inability to find a sexual or romantic partner. Men who identify as being #ForeverAlone have gathered online in forums such as Reddit to trade stories of woe.

These communities tend to be self-reinforcing. Members believe that their looks or personal traits have consigned them to lifelong loneliness, and similarly downbeat peers are always willing to add more fuel to that fire. And the incel community has developed elaborate, and elaborately misogynistic, theories to blame others for their plight, centered on the idea that women are shallow, stupid and cruel — exclusively choosing only a handful of the most attractive men to be with and disdaining the rest. All men should deserve a chance with women, incels tell themselves, but some men have all the luck, while they get left out.

Today, the incel subculture has become not just self-reinforcing but self-radicalizing, often with tragic outcomes. At its most horrifying extremes, self-described incels have taken their anger out on the women they believe are refusing them. At least two mass shooters have left behind manifestos identifying themselves as adhering to incel ideology and explaining their actions as taking revenge on the world that hasn’t given them the women they think they deserve.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: celibacy; chatforum; entitlement; incels; internet; involuntarycelibate; marginalizatino; men; notnews; pathetic; sex; socialization
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To: Ciaphas Cain

I found that woman for me, but had to look far and high for her.

My biggest recommendation: Look outside of the US for a solid Christian woman.


21 posted on 06/08/2019 1:25:56 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Nobody heard of incels until that nut ran over people in Canada. It is now just a slur used indiscriminately by the left against right-wingers, just like “neocon” and “alt-right” before it. Don’t waste too much time debating the lives of “incels.” It’s just revenge for the success of the term “cuck.”


22 posted on 06/08/2019 1:26:08 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: yesthatjallen

You would think that they would take the opportunity to commiserate with each other and buck each other up, rather than plot killing sprees.


23 posted on 06/08/2019 1:26:45 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Modern Democrat Party: America's largest hate group.)
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To: Texan5

Well, there’s your “macho” alpha males on one end of the spectrum. And there’s your metrosexual beta bitch boys on the other.

What about the regular guys in between?

I’m in my early 60s, so this whole issue has become moot for me now. Being a lifelong bachelor has its compensations — like not having to worry about being dragged into family court by a vengeful ex-spouse. The daily helping of peace and quiet grows on you as well.

Still, human nature is what it is. And female hypergamy can’t be denied. Women only want the top 20 percent of men, more or less. If you look good and have money, you’ve got a shot.

I consider my lack of success with women had a lot to do with my scholarly personality. Girls in their 20s just weren’t interested in the latest history books I had been reading. And by the time I was in my 30s, I was working six-day weeks and just grateful to have Sunday to crash and get ready to start it all over again. There wasn’t time, money, or energy to pursue women.

But if the gay boys can say “that’s who I am,” well shouldn’t a straight guy with bookish propensities be allowed the same privilege? At least I’m not likely to catch an STD from all the World War II books in my house.


24 posted on 06/08/2019 1:28:01 PM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: Tacrolimus1mg

Welcome to FR!


25 posted on 06/08/2019 1:28:07 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: tinyowl
Woman says 'you should stop acting like a man and start acting more like a woman.'

Also known as a "sh*t test."

26 posted on 06/08/2019 1:28:08 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Modern Democrat Party: America's largest hate group.)
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To: Texan5

Or become actual cowboys, truck drivers, bankers, stockbrokers, oil rig workers, etc.


27 posted on 06/08/2019 1:29:22 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Modern Democrat Party: America's largest hate group.)
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To: VanDeKoik
This whole issue, like most men’s issues, are lost on the right. Until this side stops worshipping the stupid, and narcissistic habits that women have picked up the past 60 years, and starts recognizing the reasons why men are in this state, then people can stop calling these guys “losers” and just live with the collaspe that will result.

Your assertion is that the RIGHT worships the narcissistic habits that women have recently picked up...

And you think that "recognizing reasons" is important...

And your suggestion is to stop using a word, and live with a collapse...

Mighty masculine of you. ROFLMBO.

28 posted on 06/08/2019 1:35:04 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Rastus

The term “incel” was apparently invented years ago by a Canadian woman (who was involuntarily celibate, of course). She started an internet group for people like her (both guys and girls) to talk to each other. So incel was a quite innocent term at first.

However, the term has come to describe a subset of the lovelorn who are hateful and misogynistic and occasionally go on murderous rampages. That’s why, even though I have not had female companionship seemingly in aeons, I prefer to call myself a bachelor, since “incels” now seems to describe just another hate group.


29 posted on 06/08/2019 1:35:13 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Modern Democrat Party: America's largest hate group.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Incels have always been around.
People used to mock them because obnoxious people with repulsive personalities being unable to have casual sex is a good thing.


30 posted on 06/08/2019 1:35:31 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Texan5

Please describe what you are calling “real women.”


31 posted on 06/08/2019 1:35:32 PM PDT by papertyger (Trump, A president so great, that Democrats who said they would leave America if he won, stayed!)
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To: VanDeKoik

Ouch-it sounds as if some selfish bitch left high heel prints on your posterior-that is a shame-but some of us really aren’t into doing that kind of thing...

Personally, I have no use for most women-I refuse to work with them and I have only one female friend-the rest of my friends are men-always have been, even when I was a kid-I find most women dishonest, deceptive, greedy and self absorbed-they want a willing victim of a man-one they can use and control- and can’t handle a fine cowboy/macho man who won’t walk on a leash...

Around here, the phrase cowboy up means to suck it up in general-and where directed at guys, it means take your cojones out of whatever lockbox they are in and act like a real man instead of a wuss soyboy.

I have never brought a single legal or financial liability to my man’s table-I’m an equal-brought up by my parents to be self sufficient and to bring an income/assets to a partnership-not liabilities. But then I’m not any man’s shack job or bootie call, either-I require the same respect I give to a man-without mutual trust and respect, there can’t be a relationship worth having...


32 posted on 06/08/2019 1:35:36 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: VanDeKoik
Until this side stops worshipping the stupid, and narcissistic habits that women have picked up the past 60 years, and starts recognizing the reasons why men are in this state, then people can stop calling these guys “losers” and just live with the collapse that will result.

Here's hoping all the "white knights" die off before that happens.

33 posted on 06/08/2019 1:38:56 PM PDT by papertyger (You can respect women, or you can understand women: you can't do both.)
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To: Zathras

Not for these obnoxious idiots.
Many of them have money.

But they have the charm and social decorum of Andrew Dice Clay.


34 posted on 06/08/2019 1:39:48 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Nothingburger

Years ago women dated from amoung the men in their town. Most guys had a chance to find a quality girl and both could foster relationships maturely in an environment where both of their reputations were on the line.

Now women have dating apps, and can show it all off on video chat sites or on social media, and get a bunch of “alphas” to toss cash and prizes at them for a peek down her shirt.

Now every female can “date” a man that is anywhere on the planet without having to limit themselves with actually being with one guy, or even having to be in the same time zone. She just has to flash her... eyes, use the baby voice, and some moron with more cash than brains, will make it rain.

The average 20-something guy that is moral, hard-working, or family-oriented, but not rich or built like a truck, is SOL.

They have no idea what to do, so they end up becoming resentful. To an extent, justifiably so.


35 posted on 06/08/2019 1:40:32 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Rastus
Don’t waste too much time debating the lives of “incels.” It’s just revenge for the success of the term “cuck.”

Really??? The cucks think that insisting that we aren't getting laid, even if we want, makes it true for males on the Right? That's amusing.

Taking their GFs from them is easier than ever. I went to go pick up a playmate last year... at his place... and he hid under the covers... even though I never made any sort of a movement or word against him. I'm not exactly big or intimidating. I'm mostly a nerd. He just knew that he didn't want me to see him. Again, I was picking up HIS girlfriend... at HIS house... and only a unmitigated moron... or someone desperate to stay self-deluded... wouldn't know that we were hooking up.

36 posted on 06/08/2019 1:41:09 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

LOL! Thanks for a good laugh, writer Christine!

On the flip side, we have what I guess we could cal vocels - voluntary celibates: MGTOW. Sprung from Red Pill. These are men who have learned today’s American women’s true nature and are avoiding them, for financial safety and for their sanity.

I see incels as the sad result of feminist-influenced upbringing. Many were likely raised by just their mommy. I’d also guess they probably feel like they hate Trump, but secretly wish he was their Dad.


37 posted on 06/08/2019 1:41:53 PM PDT by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

More on that type of test...

https://illimitablemen.com/2014/12/14/the-shit-test-encyclopedia/


38 posted on 06/08/2019 1:43:09 PM PDT by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There are several factors at work here. First, both sides have unrealistic expectations for what they think their partners should look like. Second, the media has spent the past 20-plus years portraying men as bumbling idiots, so women are less likely to be actively looking for partners, because they don’t want to end up with a dud. Third, popular culture has told women that they have no responsibilities, so there are many young women who have become shallow and self-centered. It has become a major gamble for young men to get into relationships, because they are risking their future wealth by doing so. Fourth, the current state of the culture, with video games, smart phones, and other entertainment, has resulted in far fewer opportunities for both sexes to develop appropriate social skills. Girls are naturally more social, but tend to stay in groups of girls, and so rarely interact with the few boys who aren’t at home playing XBox. Boys don’t even have that level of interaction; their main social contact is swearing at strangers in online games. Fifty years ago, both sexes would be going out on the town as their only entertainment, where they would build same-sex peer groups and would regularly come in contact with the opposite sex outside of controlled environments like school.

With all of these hurdles, it is no wonder the sexes have drifted so far apart. Some of these are fixable. Some cannot be fixed without major cultural changes.


39 posted on 06/08/2019 1:46:32 PM PDT by Little Pig
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To: traderrob6

With the proliferation of whores, sluts and STD’s in today’s young-people culture being an incel isn’t necessarily a derogatory term.


40 posted on 06/08/2019 1:47:07 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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